Trying To Make Money On Big Brown Today...

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Scav

While I agree with you, look at the P4 yesterday at Monmouth and tell me that wasn't a missed opportunity, $900 per $1 with a 1/5, and two other horses that were until $12 (I think)

Even 78 for the P3 @ 1.00 was very generous considering that 2 favorites won... That's the beauty of the big event days.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm being honest. It's been a massacre so far.

Hang in there. It can change with one swing of the bat. Just don't chase by upping your bets.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm being honest. It's been a massacre so far.

Hey there are two turf sprints in the late pick 4 sequence today.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Hey there are two turf sprints in the late pick 4 sequence today.

Not only two turf sprints, but the great Mike Dini making an appearance at the Spa......

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

You might be right. My X5 requires Premium Unleaded. I should factor in about $7.00 for gas. Boy am I stupid How come nobody on this board advised me against my strategy.

Hey at least I had fun watching the race and I don't think I lost anything. Big Brown finished strong and regardless of whether he is Travers, BCC bound or stud, he gave me a few thrills this summer.

For those of you calling him Big Crap, I think that is a little out of line. He still beat 19 horses in the KD from a post that nobody had in nearly a century. And his Preakness and FL Derby was not too shabby either.

Or maybe there is still something left in this horse.

Big Brown finished strong?

You mean Coal Play finsished weak. Big Brown didnt pass Coal Play. Coal Play passed Big Brown as he was collapsing. Anyone who thinks BB was impressive yesterday must have watched a different race. But hey.....congrats on your tri bet....2.70 profit. Muy impressivo.

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Big Brown finished strong?

You mean Coal Play finsished weak. Big Brown didnt pass Coal Play. Coal Play passed Big Brown as he was collapsing. Anyone who thinks BB was impressive yesterday must have watched a different race. But hey.....congrats on your tri bet....2.70 profit. Muy impressivo.

That would be 12.70 profit. Big deal...I know but I am a race fan not a gambler. I have enjoyed the journey with Big Brown this year and made several hundred on him throughout his races (most of it in the KD). It makes watching/rooting for him extra exciting. I will take 12.70 or hundreds in a race as a winner over losing any day.

And YES...Big Brown did finished strong. Strong enough to win. In the end, that's all that matters. I also saw a horse in Big Brown that had plenty left beyond the finish line as well. Big Brown was impressive yesterday after a long layoff and who knows what happened at The Belmont.

[Danzig]

no, he didn't finish strong. a front runner finally ran out of gas before the wire, benefitting big brown tremendously. talk about being in the right place at the right time.
and the gallop out many times is overrated. you do know horses never win a dime for winning the gallop out?

[ArlJim78]

since when is not running in a straight line and drifting out to the 10 path part of the definition of a strong finish?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

since when is not running in a straight line and drifting out to the 10 path part of the definition of a strong finish?

since diehard big brown fans don't want to face reality.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Danzig

no, he didn't finish strong. a front runner finally ran out of gas before the wire, benefitting big brown tremendously. talk about being in the right place at the right time.
and the gallop out many times is overrated. you do know horses never win a dime for winning the gallop out?

The internet is a wonderful and funny thing. People read something and immediately jump on the bandwagon.
It is in vogue to call Big Brown's performance bad... A little due diligence provides a different story however.

Haskell 2008

1st call 46.59 (Second fastest in last 10 years)
2nd call 110.85 (5th fastest)
Final 148.31 (3rd fastest)

Come Home 37.46 (2nd fastest Not counting 2 lengths that Big Brown was behind at the half)

Beyer of 106 compares to Big Browns best...

How is this a bad performance ???

Coal Play ran the race of his life in setting the table for Cool Coal man who didn't deliver.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by jms62

The internet is a wonderful and funny thing. People read something and immediately jump on the bandwagon.
It is in vogue to call Big Brown's performance bad... A little due diligence provides a different story however.

Haskell 2008

1st call 46.59 (Second fastest in last 10 years)
2nd call 110.85 (5th fastest)
Final 148.31 (3rd fastest)

Come Home 37.46 (2nd fastest Not counting 2 lengths that Big Brown was behind at the half)

Beyer of 106 compares to Big Browns best...

How is this a bad performance ???

Coal Play ran the race of his life in setting the table for Cool Coal man who didn't deliver.

Thank you for your voice of reason! We have some real big brown haters on this site.. and he could win the Breeders Cup this year and people (especially Danzig) will still talk ****.

[Gander]

I'm hardly a fan of Big Brown, I actually think the whole story stinks.
But I think he did very well to win this race. He could have easily given up but he grinded it out and won a 750K race. Wow, I wish I had the intuition to cheat people out of their money so I could buy a horse like this.

The Travers is coming up real weak. I dont think hes avoiding any of these cows. Its more of a timing thing and it makes total sense. Why rush a horse back to run in a glorified Grade 3 against crows hes already crushed?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Gander

I'm hardly a fan of Big Brown, I actually think the whole story stinks.
But I think he did very well to win this race. He could have easily given up but he grinded it out and won a 750K race. Wow, I wish I had the intuition to cheat people out of their money so I could buy a horse like this.

The Travers is coming up real weak. I dont think hes avoiding any of these cows. Its more of a timing thing and it makes total sense. Why rush a horse back to run in a glorified Grade 3 against crows hes already crushed?

exactly... eventhough it was a 1 million dollar race!

who the hell would he avoid in the Travers? Hes beaten basically all the colts in his division already... save Harlem Rocker who I really doubt scares dutrow all that much.

[Gander]

If Harlem Rocker runs to all the hype, he will win the Travers under a hand ride. You can forget about getting a price on him. Mambo in Seattle is the other logical horse who is the up and comer, but may be an underlay in a race crying out for a bomb. I'm glad Pletcher ran Atoned in the Haskell (and not the Travers) because if he was in the Travers, I would have taken a huge shot with him. Man, he ran terrible. Stop like he had a piano dropped on him.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Anybody Think Frank S Will Bring Down A Good One..from Canada..

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Gander

If Harlem Rocker runs to all the hype, he will win the Travers under a hand ride. You can forget about getting a price on him. Mambo in Seattle is the other logical horse who is the up and comer, but may be an underlay in a race crying out for a bomb. I'm glad Pletcher ran Atoned in the Haskell (and not the Travers) because if he was in the Travers, I would have taken a huge shot with him. Man, he ran terrible. Stop like he had a piano dropped on him.

So you are basically saying it finally dawned on you that Atoned is GROSSLY overrated.. Hopefully it didn't cost too much to come to that conclusion.

[Gander]

Originally Posted by jms62

So you are basically saying it finally dawned on you that Atoned is GROSSLY overrated.. Hopefully it didn't cost too much to come to that conclusion.

No, I said I would have bet Atoned in the Travers, not the Haskell against Big Brown. I just cant bet on or against Big Brown, not since the Derby.
And I never thought he was talented, but he would have fit really well in the Travers against what will be a bunch of Grade 3 horses, which is what Atoned is. Overrated? Maybe. But isnt Pyro also very overrated? And Z Fortune? So too Court Vision? At least Atoned may have been a price.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Thank you for your voice of reason! We have some real big brown haters on this site.. and he could win the Breeders Cup this year and people (especially Danzig) will still talk ****.

i don't hate big brown. but i don't see that he's that good either. since i don't worship the straw he walks on, i'm a hater? since i was more impressed with races earlier this year, i'm talking ****?

funny that those who agree with someone are a voice of reason, but others with a different point of view are just haters.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Gander

I'm hardly a fan of Big Brown, I actually think the whole story stinks.
But I think he did very well to win this race. He could have easily given up but he grinded it out and won a 750K race. Wow, I wish I had the intuition to cheat people out of their money so I could buy a horse like this.

The Travers is coming up real weak. I dont think hes avoiding any of these cows. Its more of a timing thing and it makes total sense. Why rush a horse back to run in a glorified Grade 3 against crows hes already crushed?

it's not that it's a bunch of cows, so much as it is that big brown didn't finish two races back, and in this race was all out to beat a horse who is much less than those heading for the travers. had he not struggled on sunday, i think they would have considered the travers, and then train up to the bcc. i really think iavarone would have liked to showcase his colt at saratoga, but doesn't feel a lot of confidence based on how big brown ran on sunday.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

That would be 12.70 profit. Big deal...I know but I am a race fan not a gambler. I have enjoyed the journey with Big Brown this year and made several hundred on him throughout his races (most of it in the KD). It makes watching/rooting for him extra exciting. I will take 12.70 or hundreds in a race as a winner over losing any day.

And YES...Big Brown did finished strong. Strong enough to win. In the end, that's all that matters. I also saw a horse in Big Brown that had plenty left beyond the finish line as well. Big Brown was impressive yesterday after a long layoff and who knows what happened at The Belmont.

Correct me if I am wrong but didnt you put 30 bucks into the tri? It paid 32.70 right?

How is that 12.70 ?

BB didnt finish strong. Coal Play just stopped at the end. Watch on the turn as Desormeaux was geting into him....BB was goin nowhere....only made up ground as Coal Play finally gave in. BB passed a tired OPT Claimer.

BB has been impressive earlier this year when he destroyed bad fields. Now he is barely beating bad fields. Nice horse, but nothing special. Curlin will crush him if Dutrow is dumb enough to race vs him.