measles outbreak

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Sometimes science is ....well...just plain science.
And sometimes everything isn't false flag.

And MOST times, the obvious is...well... the obvious.

Keep opening your borders, without quarantine, and blame hippies for the resurgence of your eradicated pox. Pffft* -


*Not meant towards you, specifically, in a pejorative sense, but rather the nonsense that this plague, perpetrated by the likes of the Jenny McCarthy {et. al} Pseudo-scientists that *read something on the Internet that fits their own narrative* would have you believe

As a fortunate survivor of Scarlet Fever in the 1960's I couldn't be more thankful that a vaccine was found, and that we all benefit from real science that worked to the betterment of mankind. Nowadays, we'd be on pills for the rest of our lives to "treat" the "condition"

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Sometimes science is ....well...just plain science.
And sometimes everything isn't false flag.

And MOST times, the obvious is...well... the obvious.

Keep opening your borders, without quarantine, and blame hippies for the resurgence of your eradicated pox. Pffft.

Yeah I know you're back in with the home team. Thanks for clarifying.

If the vaccine is so good then why did 6 who had the vaccine still get measles at Disneyland?

Government always knows best cause...science...science is never flawed

Make all vaccines mandatory so the weak can live.


Hail Caesar.

Question nothing

*bows*

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by Cardus

Describe your bunker.

It's not that. It's just I'm not going to be a p u s s y and open my legs every time the government and it's media outlets start spreading fear by doing what they always do...scaring you with the thought of your kid dying.

Especially when the enforcement you totalitarians are crying for has already proven to be flawed. Getting the vaccine isn't full-proof.

If science is...which seems to be the theme here...then uh. Yeah.

Whatever.

It's like you folks are saying vaccines saved humanity.

[Danzig]

http://news.yahoo.com/5-children-ill...191610364.html

now, i don't agree with those saying vaccines should be mandatory....but damn, why do people have to be so blase about their kids health? or worse than blase, they just refuse to listen to professionals. they'll listen to a playboy bunny, but not their doctor?
people worked hard to develop these vaccines, and they have saved god knows how many lives over the years. but now, for some reason, some think they're not necessary. that's too bad for their kids, and for others who come in contact who are too young, or have other issues that preclude them getting vaccines.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...efits/8094789/

seems many have forgotten or just ignore how things used to be....but hey, we can return to those good old days and then they'll understand. won't that be fun?
my mother once told me she'd have liked to live during the antebellum days. i told her she was nuts. people who know i love history ask all the time when i wish i'd lived. now. now is good. i can read about all those 'good old days' while enjoying electricity, running water, refrigeration, air conditioning, and modern medicine.

[GenuineRisk]

I do think vaccines should be mandatory, because there are a small number of kids and adults who truly can't get them, due to leukemia or severe allergies or immune deficiencies. I think those kids deserve a chance to have as active a life as possible, and it's my responsibility as someone with a functioning immune system, and as a parent of a healthy kid with a functioning immune system, to do my part to protect those who were not so lucky so they can go play in the park without worrying they're going home with measles.

I mean, I'm perfectly healthy, but society has determined it's a health hazard if I decide to take a dump on the sidewalk, and yet somehow I don't feel my freedom has been impinged on.

Now, making them mandatory means they also need to be free and readily accessible.

Also more public restrooms.

Elizabeth Warren asks questions that explain it simply:
http://wonkette.com/575863/elizabeth...ocking-answers

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Now, making them mandatory means they also need to be free and readily accessible.

Nothing is free!

You mean I and others should pay to vaccinate kids even though I chose to have none.

Why not heavily fine the parents of kids who come down with measles and use that money to provide the 'free' service and leave me and others in the same situation the f@#k out of it.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Nothing is free!

You mean I and others should pay to vaccinate kids even though I chose to have none.

Why not heavily fine the parents of kids who come down with measles and use that money to provide the 'free' service and leave me and others in the same situation the f@#k out of it.

Of course we should pay for it. We're a community, and that means we take care of each other. Jesus, what happened to a sense of civic duty in this country? Typical right wing attitude: I got mine, f*ck the rest of you all.

That said, measles immunity can wear off, and you could go deaf if you contracted measles. Everyone around you with a healthy immune system being fully vaccinated is in your own self interest, too.

And Dell, you would get free vaccines, too, in this idyllic vaccination world I dream of. You do need booster shots throughout your life. In the case of shingles, with chicken pox on the decline, people aren't getting exposed to the wild variety as an unintended booster shot. So shingles is becoming less of an old person's disease (old people were prone to it because they didn't spend as much time around children as when they were parents themselves) and more a disease that anyone who has ever had chicken pox is at risk of getting at any point. I bet in the next decade or so health insurance will start covering shingles boosters for the under 50 crowd, too.

The thing with vaccination that people don't seem to grasp is that they do not work on every person (just as every antibiotic doesn't work on every person) but unlike an antibiotic, if the vaccine didn't take, you might not know until you actually get the disease. They do work for the vast majority of people, though, so the important part in getting absolutely everyone in a population (who is not immune compromised, of course) is that there end up being so few people who aren't protected (including those for whom the vaccine didn't take) that a disease can't find enough hosts to get a hold of the unprotected population. That's why the anti-vaccine parents don't understand why it's such a big deal; diseases have been unable to get a grasp into communities for so long that they just don't grasp how bad it can get.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Of course we should pay for it. We're a community, and that means we take care of each other. Jesus, what happened to a sense of civic duty in this country? Typical right wing attitude: I got mine, f*ck the rest of you all.

That said, measles immunity can wear off, and you could go deaf if you contracted measles. Everyone around you with a healthy immune system being fully vaccinated is in your own self interest, too.

And Dell, you would get free vaccines, too, in this idyllic vaccination world I dream of. You do need booster shots throughout your life. In the case of shingles, with chicken pox on the decline, people aren't getting exposed to the wild variety as an unintended booster shot. So shingles is becoming less of an old person's disease (old people were prone to it because they didn't spend as much time around children as when they were parents themselves) and more a disease that anyone who has ever had chicken pox is at risk of getting at any point. I bet in the next decade or so health insurance will start covering shingles boosters for the under 50 crowd, too.

The thing with vaccination that people don't seem to grasp is that they do not work on every person (just as every antibiotic doesn't work on every person) but unlike an antibiotic, if the vaccine didn't take, you might not know until you actually get the disease. They do work for the vast majority of people, though, so the important part in getting absolutely everyone in a population (who is not immune compromised, of course) is that there end up being so few people who aren't protected (including those for whom the vaccine didn't take) that a disease can't find enough hosts to get a hold of the unprotected population. That's why the anti-vaccine parents don't understand why it's such a big deal; diseases have been unable to get a grasp into communities for so long that they just don't grasp how bad it can get.

exactly right. for some, their bodies might not have built up enough immunity...but by being around other immune people, no one can be a carrier and cause that person with lower immunity to get sick.
the antis really and truly need to educate themselves on just what we used to have to deal with--that we're being forced to deal with again because of their stupidity.
i really wish, also, that people would understand that medical care for everyone is as important as food-it's a basic necessity. it shouldn't be considered a luxury!

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i really wish, also, that people would understand that medical care for everyone is as important as food-it's a basic necessity. it shouldn't be considered a luxury!

You're so right. Health care is something every single person will need at some point in their lives. It's not like fire or theft or flood or travel or liability, where you get it and hope you never have to use it. It's something you get knowing you are going to have to use it.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Of course we should pay for it. We're a community, and that means we take care of each other. Jesus, what happened to a sense of civic duty in this country? Typical right wing attitude: I got mine, f*ck the rest of you all.

That's why there are charities. It's not my civic duty to pay for your child if I choose not to. If you and your husband couldn't afford a vaccine for the runt you shouldn't have had him/her.

[GenuineRisk]

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[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I contributed the amount of income I had left after meeting the nut, as they say in household budgeting, and I posted the link to the fundraiser both on my FB and on the political blog I frequent, with an ode to her many lovely qualities. What did you do?

That said, I would have preferred to live in a society that has an actual safety net, so neither she nor anyone else would have had to deal with the stress of finding the money to get by after an accident in the first place.

I should not have pursued this train of thought.

[GenuineRisk]

Deleting because I should not have responded to this opening.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

So how much did you contribute? Since you brought it up, you should be willing to go first.

I like Genuine Risk

[GenuineRisk]

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[dellinger63]

Wasn't a demand. It was a stupid point!

[GenuineRisk]

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[GenuineRisk]

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[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

And what point was that?

That one should be allowed to dictate what charity or cause their hard earned money goes, instead of having some buffoon(s) decide who/what is in need.

One who eats 'hope' for breakfast dines on hunger for dinner.

Bon appetite!

Workout time and I feel it's gonna be a doozy. Thanks for the inspiration.

[GenuineRisk]

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