RacingPost reports 'Dini done after BC...

Just imagine if George Bush spent $56 million on horses at a sale.

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I can appreciate this sentiment. To an extent, I agree with u. I would call Bernardini one of the all-time greats.......but wouldn't put him in the Hall of Fame. To me, that is a place that should be reserved for those that combined accomplishments with ability and with durability. I think in order to be a hall of famer, u have to have been a champion in more than one year. But simply on ability, I think that can be seen and judged much earlier. That's not to say that I would put a horse up there after just breaking his maiden or winning some nw2x allowance but if u've demonstrated clearly that u are at the top of the game, even if it's only for one year, that's enough for me. Also, even though he might only be beating the best of this year, if he were to win the Classic, he'd be beating some of the best of multiple years. Lava Man was clearly one of the best of last year and some of the 3yo's that he's beaten this year will be among the best in coming years.

To me it's the reverse ...

... Hall Of Fame has a lower threshhold than "great."

It's the hall of "fame" after all ... not the hall of "greatness."

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Just imagine if George Bush spent $56 million on horses at a sale.

He would most certainly do at it at the annual dispersal of maiden claimers at Beulah.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's their money and they can do with it as they choose ( as long as it's legal ) but I don't have to like what they do. I feel like they have a sort of " obligation " to us, the people that support racing and pay the bills, i.e. bettors, to give something back to us...and they don't. The only people they reward are the breeders, and without bettors the game would simply disappear, so their dream of winning the Derby certainly couldn't be realized, because if every better stopped tomorrow the racetracks would be shut down. There is a complete lack of acknowledgement of this by many people and none more so than Godolphin and their " do as we please " style.

Yes, they could run their horses against each other in Dubai, just as rich people could back to racing against each other on there farms, but somehow I am guessing the glory would be gone with no gamblers left to support the game as the world wide prestige and attention would disappear.

Far-fetched? Of course but I'm making a point. My point is there should be a symbiotic relationship with horse owners and racing fans and there simply isn't at least when it comes to Godolphin.

As far as the game taking " deep pockets ", no doubt, but the need for even deeper pockets has been caused very much by Godolphin. And just to be fair, I am no fan of Coolmore either, in fact I have even bigger problems with them which I simply can't get into. But, suffice to say, neither of these stables have made racing better for us racing fans in the grander scheme of things.

Thanks for explaining your position.
I also agree that there needs to be a better relationship between owners and bettors. The bettors DO indeed grease the wheels of this sport. No debate there at all.
I can't wait for the day when one of my homebreds beats one of theirs by thirty lengths. Both stables you mentioned.
Sure makes it fun for me. Godolphin and Coolmore have their dreams...and so do I.
Isn't it great when the mighty are humbled?

I actually expected them to run him next year, I really screwed up in believing that would happen.
Money shouldn't mean that much to them that he has to be rushed off to stud now. I thought a guy who loved racing as much as Sheikh Mo would want to campaign him again at 4. I'm especially shocked that he made this decision before the BC has even been run. If he loses, I'd think he would want to run him again next year to attempt to accomplish that goal.
Its sad, but I guess between retirements and the gruel of the Tri Crown, our chances of seeing a deep older horse division in my lifetime are dim.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I understand where you're coming from, and while I think you should be careful about agreeing with posters who have just indefensably called another poster something derogatory, I understand that you were not necessarily agreeing with his disgraceful and unfounded accusations directed towards me.

I appreciate your attempts to clarify the situation.

I came to this thread a bit late ... but ...

... let me just tell you that the poster who called you a racist is himself an Arab who sees everything through a race-oriented prism.

If you said "the sky is blue" ... he'd call you anti-Arab because it was nighttime over Arab countries.

Everyone on this forum knows you as the honorable gentleman that you are ... please don't allow one race-crazed poster to get under your skin.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

" enemies of racing ", to me, would be people who act against the best interests of racing...which I feel Godolphin does overall. Yeah, they are exceedingly generous towards the breeders , but to the racing fan they continually deny us the pleasure we may get from seeing good horses run, at least in America.

As regards my " filth " references, that coward who called me a racist and thinks he ( or she ) is clever and doesn't apologize, or back up, his ( or her ) unfounded remarks is the very definition of filth.

Yeah, sure, ok. I'm sorry.

You've done this for a few weeks now. Thinly veiled, not so subtle. A few threads back, you talked about how you felt about their horses and managed to work HITLER into your comments. You went on to say that maybe you would feel better after your holiday passed.

Think what you want, though you obviously know that you are not the be-all and end-all of determining what/who is "Filth" and who is a coward, much less what the owners of a horse can or should do with him.

I am no coward.

I'm not very clever.

There is the "Backing Up" of my comments you demandeed.

Hope it satifies your requirements. If it doesn't, I apologize.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

I came to this thread a bit late ... but ...

... let me just tell you that the poster who called you a racist is himself an Arab who sees everything through a race-oriented prism.

If you said "the sky is blue" ... he'd call you anti-Arab because it was nighttime over Arab countries.

Everyone on this forum knows you as the honorable gentleman that you are ... please don't allow one race-crazed poster to get under your skin.

1. I'm not an Arab.
2. I do not like racist people.
3. You are still an idiot.

Quiz tomorrow, closed-book.

Originally Posted by oracle80

I actually expected them to run him next year, I really screwed up in believing that would happen.
Money shouldn't mean that much to them that he has to be rushed off to stud now. I thought a guy who loved racing as much as Sheikh Mo would want to campaign him again at 4. I'm especially shocked that he made this decision before the BC has even been run. If he loses, I'd think he would want to run him again next year to attempt to accomplish that goal.
Its sad, but I guess between retirements and the gruel of the Tri Crown, our chances of seeing a deep older horse division in my lifetime are dim.

The rumors of his retirement are greatly exaggerated and unfounded, at this point.

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

I came to this thread a bit late ... but ...

... let me just tell you that the poster who called you a racist is himself an Arab who sees everything through a race-oriented prism.

If you said "the sky is blue" ... he'd call you anti-Arab because it was nighttime over Arab countries.

Everyone on this forum knows you as the honorable gentleman that you are ... please don't allow one race-crazed poster to get under your skin.

BB,
Stud is also a man of honor. Hes no coward, and calls a spade a spade as he sees it. I don't think its proper FOR EITHER RACE(Jew or Arab) to get into a politically charged debate and dangle bait, then when its taken cry racism.
One could be EQUALLY pissed off when a Jew busts on a born again Christian. One could get very pissed and say why don't you offer a disclaimer before you post that view, that you are a Jew, just to be responsible and all. Or one could read that and take a pass and bite his tongue.
I don't see Stud as an arab, I see him as a guy. I also don't see him preaching that Arabs should be taking down buildings with innocent people in them. I've never met Stud, but I'm quite sure I'd want him in a foxhole with me.
As neither a Jew nor Arab, I can speak without prejudice. Since grade school my life has been filled with closest friends who were Jewish, and I count an Arab among my closest friends(I preach about blowing up every last one of them who would hurt us, not all of them).
If people are going to engage in debates in which race or religion is being thinly veiled or used as bait to dangle to incite the other one, then noone should be surprised or hurt when the other party takes the bait, and runs with it. Neither party is right in that type of case. But if you don't wanna get run over, don't walk in the middle of the road.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Yeah, sure, ok. I'm sorry.

You've done this for a few weeks now. Thinly veiled, not so subtle. A few threads back, you talked about how you felt about their horses and managed to work HITLER into your comments. You went on to say that maybe you would feel better after your holiday passed.

Think what you want, though you obviously know that you are not the be-all and end-all of determining what/who is "Filth" and who is a coward, much less what the owners of a horse can or should do with him.

I am no coward.

I'm not very clever.

There is the "Backing Up" of my comments you demandeed.

Hope it satifies your requirements. If it doesn't, I apologize.

I was wrong...you are beyond filth.

The references to Hitler, that you chose to bring up, were made by Joel ( Cunningham Racing ) in saying " I root for horses I like, I don't care if Hitler owned them " and I was responding to that. That is how I supposedly worked Hitler into the conversation.

You have SERIOUS issues in life. Believe it or not, there are reasons to dislike people besides their race or skin color ( As an example, I found you to be an abhorant individual long before I was alerted to you ethnicity. It aint racism....it's dislike generated by your actions ), and if you weren't so psychotic you would have seen from my ACTUAL comments that my problems with Godolphin stem from the way their racing stable is run. However, that would fly in the face of your insane insecurities and agenda and therefore you are not interested in truth.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by oracle80

BB,
Stud is also a man of honor. Hes no coward, and calls a spade a spade as he sees it. I don't think its proper FOR EITHER RACE(Jew or Arab) to get into a politically charged debate and dangle bait, then when its taken cry racism.
One could be EQUALLY pissed off when a Jew busts on a born again Christian. One could get very pissed and say why don't you offer a disclaimer before you post that view, that you are a Jew, just to be responsible and all. Or one could read that and take a pass and bite his tongue.
I don't see Stud as an arab, I see him as a guy. I also don't see him preaching that Arabs should be taking down buildings with innocent people in them. I've never met Stud, but I'm quite sure I'd want him in a foxhole with me.
As neither a Jew nor Arab, I can speak without prejudice. Since grade school my life has been filled with closest friends who were Jewish, and I count an Arab among my closest friends(I preach about blowing up every last one of them who would hurt us, not all of them).
If people are going to engage in debates in which race or religion is being thinly veiled or used as bait to dangle to incite the other one, then noone should be surprised or hurt when the other party takes the bait, and runs with it. Neither party is right in that type of case. But if you don't wanna get run over, don't walk in the middle of the road.

You defend a guy who claimed I made " anti-arab " comments when absolutely no such comments ever came from me? Then the guy goes on to claim that I brought Hitler into the conversation when that was also factually inaccurate.

What dog do you have in this fight? Does it stem from my dislike of Pat Day, which you reference as me being a Jew who doesn't like a born-again Christian, as though somehow that justifies the racist references made by that other person ( and I use the term lightly )? Who the hell are you to make thinly veiled accusations like that? Would it be OK for me to dislike Pat Day when he was drinking and using drugs because then you couldn't make outlandish, albeit " examples ", references?

This other poster has SERIOUS problems and made completely indefensible accusations about my posts because he is insecure. Why you would choose to further this situation is beyond me.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I thought a guy who loved racing as much as Sheikh Mo would want to campaign him again at 4.

He likes winning not racing

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You defend a guy who claimed I made " anti-arab " comments when absolutely no such comments ever came from me? Then the guy goes on to claim that I brought Hitler into the conversation when that was also factually inaccurate.

What dog do you have in this fight? Does it stem from my dislike of Pat Day, which you reference as me being a Jew who doesn't like a born-again Christian, as though somehow that justifies the racist references made by that other person ( and I use the term lightly )? Who the hell are you to make thinly veiled accusations like that? Would it be OK for me to dislike Pat Day when he was drinking and using drugs because then you couldn't make outlandish, albeit " examples ", references?

This other poster has SERIOUS problems and made completely indefensible accusations about my posts because he is insecure. Why you would choose to further this situation is beyond me.

I have no dog in this fight. respect all parties and look forward to posts here by all. But if you really wanna get into it off the board on Pm's your Pat day comments could be construed as racist, and yes, they bothered me.

I'd like to see you, BB, and Stud play nice in the sandbox. each brings his own contribution to this board that is very positive.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I'd like to see you, BB, and Stud play nice in the sandbox. each brings his own contribution to this board that is very positive.

I don't hold grudges, but the guy has been completely out of line with me and needs to admit he was wrong. It's as simple as that.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I have no dog in this fight. respect all parties and look forward to posts here by all. But if you really wanna get into it off the board on Pm's your Pat day comments could be construed as racist, and yes, they bothered me.

Things can twisted a lot of ways but you know my feelings about Pat Day aren't racist in any way. I have enough hate for jockies in general that I wouldn't need to drag nonsense like that into the equation.

[Kasept]

Ajourned...

This conversation took a strange and unpleasant turn... and there's no reason for it to continue publicly. I'd prefer that socio-political fisticuffs either not take place at all or take place in Off Topic or EsoCent or Privately. It takes away from the focus of what we all love and why we're here..

Hope everyone got in what they needed to say...

Steve