RacingPost reports 'Dini done after BC...

1st_Saturday_in_May · #1 10-12-2006, 10:57 AM

**** is all I can say. Really wanted to see him around next year. Theres a long way to go, and things can always change, but I'm not holding my breath on that one....

Alteast it looks like Discreet Cat will return...

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The spectacular Bernardini is due to be retired at the end of this year, but Discreet Cat will winter in Dubai following the Cigar Mile, and will remain in training as a four-year-old.

http://www.racingpost.co.uk/news/mas...tory_id=857488

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Sightseek · #2 10-12-2006, 11:02 AM

Boooooooo!

The Bid · #3 10-12-2006, 11:20 AM

I guess that officially squashes any talk of this horse being potentially great.

King Glorious · #4 10-12-2006, 11:25 AM

No wonder Discreet Cat is not going in the Classic. I used to think that the sheikhs were these really sporting people but stuff like this makes me change my mind. If this is true, it really sucks. I guess it doesn't surprise me though. I honestly never expected him to continue on. He's not the first high profile 3yo that they would not have run at four. If they retired the great Lammatarra, who was better than Bernardini, they would retire this one too.

Cajungator26 · #5 10-12-2006, 11:28 AM

I'm not surprised in the slightest bit...

I hope for their sake that he wins the BCC. I won't be holding my breath on that one, though...

blackthroatedwind · #6 10-12-2006, 11:29 AM

They are the enemies of racing.

This is just further confirmation. Only the breeders can defend them because they have made them staggeringly wealthy.

Pretty lame....makes me root against this horse and every horse they have.

Thunder Gulch · #7 10-12-2006, 11:34 AM

If true, this is terribly disappointing. Forget all of the talk about how great he may be, without racing again, Bernie comes up short of any all - time lists.

King Glorious · #8 10-12-2006, 11:43 AM

While it would be disappointing, I don't think it has any effect on how good or great Bernardini is as a horse. If u think he's great now, why would he need another 15-20 races to prove it? Sometimes, careers are cut short but the brilliance is still evident. In racing, think Landaluce or Ruffian. In basketball, there was Len Bias. Football had Gayle Sayers. When greatness is there, it's there whether u get to see it for five races or 50. I'm not saying whether u have to believe that Bernardini is an all-time great but what I am saying is that if he did what he's been doing for another 20 races and u would proclaim him great at that point, then the talent is there now for u to call him great because if it wasn't already there now, he wouldn't be able to do it in the future. It's my feeling that more races would only confirm further to the non-believers what the believers already know.

#9 10-12-2006, 11:53 AM

YAWN. So who do you like in the Belmont 4th race if it comes off the turf?

Dunbar · #10 10-12-2006, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I'm not surprised in the slightest bit...

I hope for their sake that he wins the BCC. I won't be holding my breath on that one, though...

I hope he loses, just as I'd hope any 3-yr-old who is scheduled to be retired loses. I don't share blacktw's reaction though. If they ran Bernardini at 4, it would be the exception in this day and age. The sheik's don't have a monopoly on rushing the stars to the breeding shed.

The only way to reverse this would be to impose a strict you-can't-breed-'em-until-they're-five rule. No exceptions. Yeah, I know it isn't going to happen, but if enough people keep bringing it up, and if attendance, betting, and TV-interest keep dwindling, who knows.

--Dunbar

philcski · #11 10-12-2006, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

While it would be disappointing, I don't think it has any effect on how good or great Bernardini is as a horse. If u think he's great now, why would he need another 15-20 races to prove it? Sometimes, careers are cut short but the brilliance is still evident. In racing, think Landaluce or Ruffian. In basketball, there was Len Bias. Football had Gayle Sayers. When greatness is there, it's there whether u get to see it for five races or 50. I'm not saying whether u have to believe that Bernardini is an all-time great but what I am saying is that if he did what he's been doing for another 20 races and u would proclaim him great at that point, then the talent is there now for u to call him great because if it wasn't already there now, he wouldn't be able to do it in the future. It's my feeling that more races would only confirm further to the non-believers what the believers already know.

KG these examples you give were all injury (or in Bias' case, drug) related. Bernardini will be retired sound as a bell after EIGHT career starts. At what point do careers get so short that there's no emotional attachments?

I don't doubt his greatness. I've seen it live in person 4 times now. But barring injury, i want to see at least an ATTEMPT at a 4yo career.

Cajungator26 · #12 10-12-2006, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunbar

I hope he loses, just as I'd hope any 3-yr-old who is scheduled to be retired loses. I don't share blacktw's reaction though. If they ran Bernardini at 4, it would be the exception in this day and age. The sheik's don't have a monopoly on rushing the stars to the breeding shed.

The only way to reverse this would be to impose a strict you-can't-breed-'em-until-they're-five rule. No exceptions. Yeah, I know it isn't going to happen, but if enough people keep bringing it up, and if attendance, betting, and TV-interest keep dwindling, who knows.

--Dunbar

I only hope he wins because that's the only way I'm going to think highly of the colt. LOL I've been the minority in that I'm just not overly impressed with him... seeing him challenged in the BCC for the win would make me more inclined to believe all of the praise about him.

Gander · #13 10-12-2006, 12:01 PM

He probably would have only run 4 times anyways, big deal. I'm with Oracle, this race is 4 weeks away and theres plenty of action on tap today.
4th is off the turf as is all turf races at Belmont.

SniperSB23 · #14 10-12-2006, 12:02 PM

It sure wouldn't be very sporting if they deprived us of Bernardini vs Discreet Cat in the BC and weren't even planning on having that matchup at the Dubai World Cup.

#15 10-12-2006, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

I guess that officially squashes any talk of this horse being potentially great.

Unfortunately ... you're correct.

If he wins big in the BC Classic ... all we can say is that he had a great 3YO campaign.

No starts as a 2YO ... and no starts as a 4YO.

Even people who have billions of stolen dollars have no sense of sportsmanship any more.

Kinda figures though ... no human decency ... no sportsmanship either.

Cajungator26 · #16 10-12-2006, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

It sure wouldn't be very sporting if they deprived us of Bernardini vs Discreet Cat in the BC and weren't even planning on having that matchup at the Dubai World Cup.

No, it wouldn't... but it makes me think that perhaps they consider Discreet Cat the better of the two if they're going to run him at the Dubai World Cup. You'd think they'd want their absolute best to run there...

King Glorious · #17 10-12-2006, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

KG these examples you give were all injury (or in Bias' case, drug) related. Bernardini will be retired sound as a bell after EIGHT career starts. At what point do careers get so short that there's no emotional attachments?

I don't doubt his greatness. I've seen it live in person 4 times now. But barring injury, i want to see at least an ATTEMPT at a 4yo career.

I agree. I want to see it too but not to PROVE his greatness but to just enjoy it over and over. I'm already of the opinion that he's one of the greatest talents that I've ever seen. The only thing I was pointing out was that it doesn't take a prolonged career in order to show brilliance. When it's there, it's usually there from the start. Those examples I gave were to say that it can be there after six races as easily as it can be there after 26. Doesn't take away from the disappointment of not getting to see it longer though. But I don't think a horse's greatness is determined by decisions that an owner makes about where to race him and for how long. Those decisions have nothing to do with his actual ability.

Gander · #18 10-12-2006, 12:07 PM

Discreet Cat would get dusted by Bernardini. If Wanderin Boy was running against the same horses Discreet Cat has been beating up on, he too would look like a monster. Gimmee a break. A horse that runs 4 times a year shouldnt even be talked about until he runs in a race with meaning.

blackthroatedwind · #19 10-12-2006, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunbar

I hope he loses, just as I'd hope any 3-yr-old who is scheduled to be retired loses. I don't share blacktw's reaction though. If they ran Bernardini at 4, it would be the exception in this day and age. The sheik's don't have a monopoly on rushing the stars to the breeding shed.

--Dunbar

IMO there is a big difference between the Sheik and most owners. There is absolutely no financial factor in his decisions. If there was he wouldn't have spent $56 Million in a few days last month. I can understand why most people economically take the money and run, so to speak, but for the Sheik the dollars are absolutely meaningless. He is perhaps the only person in the game who can unquestionably afford to be sporting and he is absolutely not.

The real question is where he derives pleasure in this game if as soon as he gets a good horse he rushes it the the breeding shed. If you ask me he is the ultimate coward. If he really believed Bernardini could handle all comers he would be eager to race him next year.

Cajungator26 · #20 10-12-2006, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

I agree. I want to see it too but not to PROVE his greatness but to just enjoy it over and over. I'm already of the opinion that he's one of the greatest talents that I've ever seen. The only thing I was pointing out was that it doesn't take a prolonged career in order to show brilliance. When it's there, it's usually there from the start. Those examples I gave were to say that it can be there after six races as easily as it can be there after 26. Doesn't take away from the disappointment of not getting to see it longer though. But I don't think a horse's greatness is determined by decisions that an owner makes about where to race him and for how long. Those decisions have nothing to do with his actual ability.

I agree with that. It's just that IMO, if he doesn't win the BCC, who has he faced all season long? I'm sure that some people will look at his last race as the telling race of his career. He really hasn't had much competition this whole time (although it's not his fault.)