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Old 03-10-2007, 08:36 PM
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Default BrisNET = useless

I just want to take the time to say that BrisNET is useless

you're better off turning the summary sheet upside down

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I just want to take the time to say that BrisNET is useless

you're better off turning the summary sheet upside down


HUH ????????????????
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Old 03-10-2007, 11:45 PM
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Old 03-11-2007, 10:47 AM
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I've been using brisnet past performances for years. Discounting first time starters and some turf races they were pretty useful. Seems like the pace numbers are useless. When they are so far off so often you are at odds trying to guess when to use them and when not to.

Bris is supposed to help you figure out the pace. They give early pace number mid/late pace numbers. I assume they take into account track variant time etc... You figure there will be a contested pace or lone speed based on their info. They open up the gate and no one goes with or everyone goes with exact opposite of the scenerio you imagine per Bris.
They also provide other things like best running styles that win early/pressing or sustained closers.

Maybe it's just saturdays they sook? I only play on Saturday and now I doubt I play next saturday because this last one hurt and I blame them for part of it.

The Magna pick 5 I got

1st <--- bris told me the ML fav was suspect their first choice was too. I knew it and took 2nd choice and won
2nd <--- could have had the winner but Bris had the place horse #6 so far ahead. I chose to single. Doh. my bad
off the board <--- bris was high on the place horse and 2nd gets you Zero
1st <--- bris helped confirm I and just about everyone else right on that one

and I don't remember the last leg right now

The point is. Why pay them to condense the races into prime power and pace numbers then try and guess when to use them? I could be right just as often as they are for nothing.

Most of my big payoffs had nothing to do with Bris (especially lately). I'm going to quit using them and see how it goes.
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Old 03-11-2007, 10:57 AM
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Nuttyone,

I use Brisbet and like it. Can't hardly read a form anymore cause it's missing so much info. Like any form you have to take all in stride and use your capping skills.

Not saying I'm great...or even good, but after 35 years I know when I find a nugget and often it is based on pace figures they provide.

They are bad on rating horses changing distances.

Anyway, as the saying goes, the buck stops here and you really can't blame the brisbet or the form. In fact, I think the winners of the national handicaping contest used brisbet 8 out of the last 10 years.

Good luck,

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Old 03-11-2007, 11:18 AM
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so, you've learned how not to use it

congrats
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Old 03-11-2007, 11:30 AM
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so, you've learned how not to use it

congrats
Bris is not to blame for a poor day's result. Nor would the DRF be, as Spyder stated. That's a grave mistake.

If, you are relying on condensed pps, or a race summary, you have only yourself to blame, as neither are a replacement for your own handicapping of each race. Both tools are used only as an enhancement, not a replacement.

Short cuts don't pave the road to return on wagers.

You'll do better next week, hopefully.
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Old 03-11-2007, 11:41 AM
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congrats on hitting the Magna Pick 5

how deep did you go on the ticket?

I have to use 2 singles. I just won't invest that much
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Old 03-11-2007, 11:48 AM
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Bris is not to blame for a poor day's result. Nor would the DRF be, as Spyder stated. That's a grave mistake.

If, you are relying on condensed pps, or a race summary, you have only yourself to blame, as neither are a replacement for your own handicapping of each race. Both tools are used only as an enhancement, not a replacement.

Short cuts don't pave the road to return on wagers.

You'll do better next week, hopefully.
I use Ultimate PPs. The way I do it is.
I print off the summary and then look through the PPs and make notes.

Lately their summaries have been useless

I have been doing better without. I hate when I let their Prime Power rating convince me to single a horse. Yesterday I quit looking at the damn things and got some of my money back.

Next week I may do better by not going
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Old 03-11-2007, 11:57 AM
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I use Ultimate PPs. The way I do it is.
I print off the summary and then look through the PPs and make notes.

Lately their summaries have been useless

I have been doing better without. I hate when I let their Prime Power rating convince me to single a horse. Yesterday I quit looking at the damn things and got some of my money back.

Next week I may do better by not going
I use Bris religiously. I feel like I would be blind without it. Mainly I use the pace and speed numbers. Sometimes I find the Class numbers useful, but not so often.

I never even look at the Prime Power ratings, they are useless. they might help a beginner to point them in the right direction. But an experienced handicapper should be making his/her own assessments.
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Old 03-11-2007, 12:10 PM
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Mainly I use the pace and speed numbers. Sometimes I find the Class numbers useful, but not so often.

I never even look at the Prime Power ratings, they are useless. they might help a beginner to point them in the right direction. But an experienced handicapper should be making his/her own assessments.
This is the way that I use them as well.

And AE, you will do better next week, or take a couple of Saturdays off. Do something else! Come back to it.
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Old 03-11-2007, 01:17 PM
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I really like Bris Ultimates and use the summary to for track profile and to take a quick look at run styles and pace scenarios. The one thing I really don't like is they average the figures on "Race Summary" to encompass the last three races. This produces a very misleading number as it lumps everything together including off track and turf races. Also, it won't help at all when looking for horses on the improve. They do isolate mud speed on another column and seeing the pedigree info comparison is helpful to me when going that route.
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I have to agree with not using the summary. It stears you to easily to a horse. I cap first and then use them to seperate some close choices or down load premium plus which does not even have them.

My real gripe is the ink and paper I use over the course of the year. I heard once someone in Boston developed a flexible screen that was the size of a newspaper. If I could download to that and save the money for ink & paper, I'd have a whole lot more money!!
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Old 03-11-2007, 02:22 PM
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I have to agree with not using the summary. It stears you to easily to a horse. I cap first and then use them to seperate some close choices or down load premium plus which does not even have them.

My real gripe is the ink and paper I use over the course of the year. I heard once someone in Boston developed a flexible screen that was the size of a newspaper. If I could download to that and save the money for ink & paper, I'd have a whole lot more money!!
Surely you have a laser printer. That's a help, even still, cartridges are far more expensive than ink.

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Old 03-11-2007, 03:42 PM
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I'm a long time BRIS user...the ultimate PP's work well for me...the recently added feature that shows the "pace relative to par" is a feature that I find very useful...I also find the Current Class rating to be more useful than the Prime Power Rating... Imho there is no holy grail however, you still gotta spend some time handicapping...and even then...a lot of things have to go right for a horse to win...only one or two things have to go wrong for a horse to lose...ain't this a great game...
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Old 03-11-2007, 03:50 PM
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I'm a long time BRIS user...the ultimate PP's work well for me...the recently added feature that shows the "pace relative to par" is a feature that I find very useful...I also find the Current Class rating to be more useful than the Prime Power Rating... Imho there is no holy grail however, you still gotta spend some time handicapping...and even then...a lot of things have to go right for a horse to win...only one or two things have to go wrong for a horse to lose...ain't this a great game...
BRIS confuses me most of the time, though I've never really put in the time to try to understand their figures a whole lot -- ie, how the pace figures E1 E2 Late pace, blah blah. I need a real-life tutorial. I've never been able to really get a grasp based on reading their explanation.
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I am also a Bris Ultimate user and primarily use the pace and speed figures. I use the track bias stats and scan the race summary info
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I'm a long time BRIS user...the ultimate PP's work well for me...the recently added feature that shows the "pace relative to par" is a feature that I find very useful...D
For instance, in yesterday's Lousiana Derby, Liquidity's last two good finishes (close seconds to Stormello and Ravel) were accomplished by running close to slow paces and hanging on. Made one wonder what would happen if he encountered a strong or even average pace; certainly made him more of a question mark than one would think from the odds.
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BRIS confuses me most of the time, though I've never really put in the time to try to understand their figures a whole lot -- ie, how the pace figures E1 E2 Late pace, blah blah. I need a real-life tutorial. I've never been able to really get a grasp based on reading their explanation.
See the story in the contest folder. I have a heart of gold Brian, there are no sweeter words to my ears, than I need, I wish, or, if I had. I love this in men.
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Old 03-11-2007, 09:15 PM
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See the story in the contest folder. I have a heart of gold Brian, there are no sweeter words to my ears, than I need, I wish, or, if I had. I love this in men.
Pardon me for not understanding what you mean there.....

I won't chastise you for the opinion you've got in the thread in there. I'm with you in fact.
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