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Old 03-12-2007, 02:27 PM
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Old 03-12-2007, 02:41 PM
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is it weird that the $1 ex paid more than the $1 super? also a 15,000 tri for a buck. numbers on the right are is the pool size
$2 Daily Double $631.80 5-12 $77,811
$1 Exacta $764.90 12-10 $125,265
$1 Superfecta $738.20 12-10-ALL-ALL $23,623
$1 Trifecta $15,596.20 12-10-8 $83,180
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Old 03-12-2007, 02:43 PM
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is it weird that the $1 ex paid more than the $1 super? also a 15,000 tri for a buck.
$2 Daily Double $631.80 5-12 $77,811
$1 Exacta $764.90 12-10 $125,265
$1 Superfecta $738.20 12-10-ALL-ALL $23,623
$1 Trifecta $15,596.20 12-10-8 $83,180
Nobody had the super, that is why I think
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Old 03-12-2007, 02:45 PM
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Old 03-12-2007, 02:48 PM
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90 dollars to place. When it rains it pours Grits.
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Old 03-12-2007, 02:53 PM
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90 dollars to place. When it rains it pours Grits.

but you are realizing that over the long run grits will be right (may not be in the 250 sample... but the grits has the goods with her logic)
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Old 03-12-2007, 02:58 PM
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but you are realizing that over the long run grits will be right (may not be in the 250 sample... but the grits has the goods with her logic)
Don't I know you'd chime in. LOLOL
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Old 03-12-2007, 02:59 PM
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but you are realizing that over the long run grits will be right (may not be in the 250 sample... but the grits has the goods with her logic)
That's my girl, that's smart thinking! What's 250 samples over years and years of play? Zip.
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Old 03-12-2007, 02:59 PM
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The 7th Sunday
Place horse paid $14 for place, $24 for show

It's all on the TOTE board to see
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Old 03-12-2007, 03:01 PM
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Old 03-12-2007, 03:02 PM
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but you are realizing that over the long run grits will be right (may not be in the 250 sample... but the grits has the goods with her logic)
Huh, should we go to a 1000 races? I mean 250 instances(not races) is plenty....And yes, it will end up closer.
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Old 03-12-2007, 03:06 PM
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Huh, should we go to a 1000 races? I mean 250 instances(not races) is plenty....And yes, it will end up closer.
That's another arguement with the way this thing is set up. People play races everyday, honey. PEOPLE DON'T PLAY INSTANCES

I can hear it now, "c'mon buddy, let's go to the track; man, they got a full 10 race card today of INSTANCES!!!!!!

I'll learn you something sooner or later.
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Old 03-12-2007, 03:11 PM
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That's another arguement with the way this thing is set up. People play races everyday, honey. PEOPLE DON'T PLAY INSTANCES

I can hear it now, "c'mon buddy, let's go to the track; man, they got a full 10 race card today of INSTANCES!!!!!!

I'll learn you something sooner or later.
Spoken like a true southerner.
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Old 03-12-2007, 03:12 PM
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Grits, you'll learn me some blue label Jack.
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Old 03-12-2007, 03:13 PM
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but you are realizing that over the long run grits will be right (may not be in the 250 sample... but the grits has the goods with her logic)
You know what they say about opinions....
I am not sure who is right...how can you be sure...
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Old 03-12-2007, 03:15 PM
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Huh, should we go to a 1000 races? I mean 250 instances(not races) is plenty....And yes, it will end up closer.
no that sample will be fine.. i do find it amazing how fast these races are adding up.

i dont know, when grits posted those notes her mentor gave her. it was just really logical and smart and along with discussing this situation with some pro handicappers, they all have sided with the exacta. just kinda makes sense for the long run ROI you know?

you have the advantage with the 250 sample size because as you know, there is only one favorite per race (sometimes not a clear favorite) and there are more than 1 10-1 shot in each race. so you have to figure, is the one longshot that gets the place really the one you would have played? do you take into consideration all those $2WP bets you lost cause the majority of the 10-1 shots ran third or off the board?

on the other hand. I bet WP because I dont know enough about handicapping to play for a living and I'm just there for the instant excitement.
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Old 03-12-2007, 03:18 PM
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no that sample will be fine.. i do find it amazing how fast these races are adding up.

i dont know, when grits posted those notes her mentor gave her. it was just really logical and smart and along with discussing this situation with some pro handicappers, they all have sided with the exacta. just kinda makes sense for the long run ROI you know?

you have the advantage with the 250 sample size because as you know, there is only one favorite per race (sometimes not a clear favorite) and there are more than 1 10-1 shot in each race. so you have to figure, is the one longshot that gets the place really the one you would have played? do you take into consideration all those $2WP bets you lost cause the majority of the 10-1 shots ran third or off the board?

on the other hand. I bet WP because I dont know enough about handicapping to play for a living and I'm just there for the instant excitement.
See I lose even if I win....What do you want the sample to be....I'll go 1000 if you want...Think about it, the fave wins 30% of the time---they are going to win 30% of the time at a 1000 races also--or around that....Grits made up a 100 bucks in one day. She isn't done by any means....But if I thought in the last 10 years that her way made sense, I would've been doing that....Quite happy cashing a place ticket.
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Old 03-12-2007, 03:21 PM
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I initially thought so too, but I am thinking with the way it was set up Randall might be right. I think just a blind bet using the favorite over a horse you like is a lot different than betting your horse to win and then hedging by using your horse in exactas.

i believe, originally, grits said she does bet the longshot to win, and then hedges the longshot underneath the favorite for the exacta.

still hit the win bet if the longshot wins, but over time the ROI will be greater if you have the exacta than just the place price if your longshot finishes 2nd.

unless of course, the horse goes off at 150-1 and the place pays $90
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Old 03-12-2007, 03:23 PM
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i believe, originally, grits said she does bet the longshot to win, and then hedges the longshot underneath the favorite for the exacta.

still hit the win bet if the longshot wins, but over time the ROI will be greater if you have the exacta than just the place price if your longshot finishes 2nd.
unless of course, the horse goes off at 150-1 and the place pays $90
Stop using logic, Lori!
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Stop using logic, Lori!
There is logic and then there is female logic...let's not confuse the two...
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