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04-09-2007, 11:56 AM
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Ranking
Everyone is ranking the 3yr olds. Lets narrow it down. How about ranking Team Pletchers 3yr olds. I dont think any of his fell off the trail this past week-end. Unless they come back with some kind of ailment.
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04-09-2007, 12:00 PM
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not one of pletchers horses has a legit shot to win the derby, not one, thats my opinion i wont bother ranking them because i feel they will all be overbet, none of them will offer value and i dont think any of them have a shot to win, i'd be shocked if a pletcher horses makes the superfecta.
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04-09-2007, 12:08 PM
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To answer the question posed, I will rank them because I do think more than one have a legitimate shot to win the Derby. 1.) Any Given Saturday- Ran the worst race of his life while wide in a race that he was originally not even supposed to be running in. He will improve off it and show that he is absolutely not 5 lengths worse than 'Nobiz. 2.) Scat Daddy- He's done the most on the track of any of Pletcher's bunch and as the preps keep coming in with ho-hum results his stock skyrockets. 3.) Circular Quay- Tons of raw talent, but the 8 week layoff has to make even the sternest of folks uneasy. 4.) Cowtown Cat- He definitely was the beneficiary of a free and clear trip in Illinois, but he validated what I considered to be a questionable win in the Gotham. 5-8.) Deadly Dealer, Sam P., King of the Roxy, Soaring By, etc.- I don't think any of these have a great shot, but we'll learn more about DD and Soaring By this week and next week. I think it's a little premature to say that Todd P won't even get in the superfecta. NT
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04-09-2007, 12:10 PM
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Circular Quay
Rags to Riches Scat Daddy The rest don't even matter.
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04-09-2007, 12:17 PM
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Scat Daddy
Any Given Saturday Circular Quay (don't think he's in the gate for the derby, though.) Cowtown Cat Deadly Dealer Sam P King of the Roxy Soaring By
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04-09-2007, 12:24 PM
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well i do feel very strong about this i dont think he has any shot to win the derby i think his whole stable of 3 year olds is overrated and none of them did anything this past saturday to make me feel any different about them. Any given saturday runs horrible Sam p and King of the roxy cant beat a maiden winner in Tiago The only one who won was Cowtown cat and i will just agree with what you said above..... I will rank them though Circular Quay Rags to riches those are the top 2 in my opinion
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04-09-2007, 01:39 PM
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AGS and Scat Daddy are tied for me on top. Then CQ and Cowtown Cat. The rest shouldn't be in the derby. IMO
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04-10-2007, 07:31 AM
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Scat Daddy
Any Given Saturday Circular Quay Cowtown Cat Sam P. ...wouldn't be surprise if none of the Pletcher trainees are the top three betting interest in the Derby.
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04-10-2007, 08:29 AM
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Maybe they won't win, but as Jim Mazur has pointed out over at Prog Handicap, the "other Pletcher" angle is always fun to keep an eye on, especially on big days.
When he has two or more horses in the race and one of them is not the "name" horse, you gotta take a second look. I think the most recent big one that I can remember is Bluegrass Cat hitting for 2nd in the KD last year. I'm sure there are others - wasn't Invisible Ink a Pletcher horse?
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04-10-2007, 09:05 AM
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Twenty bucks says he has a finisher in the top 4.... bet or no bet???
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04-10-2007, 09:06 AM
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04-10-2007, 09:16 AM
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04-10-2007, 09:22 AM
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04-10-2007, 09:23 AM
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04-10-2007, 09:51 AM
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04-10-2007, 09:52 AM
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1. Any Given Saturday: Came in unprepared to Wood; Got reaction race out of the way; Gets extra week to ready for Derby. Is best served splitting field early and coming with a sustained run. Most similar recent Pletcher Derby runner? Bluegrass Cat.
2. Cowtown Cat: Doesn't have same running style, but appears to be this year's version of Pletcher '01 runner-up Invisible Ink. Ran deceptively good race at HAW (:24.4, :24.3, :24.0, :25.0, :12.4 (:37.4). Is a horse that will relish 10f. 3. Scat Daddy: Only Derby Trail candidate coming with classic style 2yo-3yo campaign including Hopeful, Champaign, BC Juvy, FOY, FL Derby. Seasoned and professional; Distance an issue. Closing times weak. Most similar recent Pletcher Derby runner? More Than Ready. 4. Deadly Dealer: May end up being best of T.A.P. runners if not rushed, but strong showing in Arky would be no surprise. Most similar recent Pletcher Derby runner? Balto Star. 5. Circular Quay: Barn pet is plucky, frail colt.. Hard to believe he can be held together for Derby and runs risk of being demolished physically if he goes.. Claims made for passing of Wood a prevarication. Most similar recent Pletcher Derby runner? Different style but as precarious as Bandini. 6. King of the Roxy: Wisely pointing away from Derby. Clearly shouldn't be asked to go beyond 9f, but could carry the 9.75 at PIM with a tailwind. Most similar recent Pletcher Derby runner? Pollard's Vision. 6. Sam P.: Santa Anita Derby try fell short, but seems like a nice horse. The kind that will keep turning up ITM in the stakes tries. Most similar recent Pletcher Derby runner? Limehouse.
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04-10-2007, 10:17 AM
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04-10-2007, 10:55 AM
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04-10-2007, 11:48 AM
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