Scat Daddy...

pmayjr · #1 05-06-2007, 02:39 PM

I've heard about his hoof problems and the shoes and the bla bla bla, but what if he just doesn't like the Chuchill Surface? 2 races and not much to show for it at CD. I didn't bet him and I'm not trying to make excuses for him, but maybe some R and R and point him towards Belmont?

Danzig · #2 05-06-2007, 02:40 PM

well, you have to wonder how much pletcher really liked his chances, since he sold his half!! smart man.

hockey2315 · #3 05-06-2007, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by pmayjr

I've heard about his hoof problems and the shoes and the bla bla bla, but what if he just doesn't like the Chuchill Surface? 2 races and not much to show for it at CD. I didn't bet him and I'm not trying to make excuses for him, but maybe some R and R and point him towards Belmont?

If you mean pointing him towards THE Belmont, he has no shot. . . NO way he wins at 12F. . .

pmayjr · #4 05-06-2007, 02:48 PM

yes thanks for clarifying. I mean THE Belmont. Based on what happens yesterday, I don't think he can beat the Top 3, but it's not out of the realm for him to be pointed towards trying.

PPerfectfan · #5 05-06-2007, 02:50 PM

Look the fact of the matter is, the bar shoe is a factor. I dont care how Pletcher tried to spin it, if you have to train your horse in a bar shoe, its because there is a problem with his feet. And to have that happen, on the biggest racing day, in the biggest field of his life,,,,,,Its a problem! And he ran like I thought he would.

Hickory Hill Hoff · #6 05-06-2007, 04:15 PM

Bold prediction - he'll win the Jim Dandy @ the Spa

hockey2315 · #7 05-06-2007, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

Bold prediction - he'll win the Jim Dandy @ the Spa

That's at 1 1/16 miles, right? If so and if he's healthy, I could see it. . .

PPerfectfan · #8 05-06-2007, 04:40 PM

Ur right, I could see that. As long as Street isnt in the race.hehe

Rileyoriley · #9 05-06-2007, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

That's at 1 1/16 miles, right? If so and if he's healthy, I could see it. . .

It's 1 1/8 race

Cajungator26 · #10 05-06-2007, 04:43 PM

IF the problems with his feet are resolved, I don't see why not... he's a lot nicer of a horse than what he ran yesterday. When I saw how ouchy he looked in the post parade, I knew he was toast. Such a shame... I love this horse.

And YES, I was wrong about his Derby chances. Very happy that Street Sense and Hard Spun ran well, though. At least those two showed up for me!

kentuckyrosesinmay · #11 05-06-2007, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PPerfectfan

Look the fact of the matter is, the bar shoe is a factor. I dont care how Pletcher tried to spin it, if you have to train your horse in a bar shoe, its because there is a problem with his feet. And to have that happen, on the biggest racing day, in the biggest field of his life,,,,,,Its a problem! And he ran like I thought he would.

Exactly.

IMO, this horse has little to no chance of even making it to the Belmont. He isn't a mile and a half type of horse anyway, but his performance in the Derby was so bad that it shouldn't even warrant a try from a trainer like Todd Pletcher. If he does run in the Belmont, he will be an easy toss.

Before the Derby, Todd Pletcher said that the horse had been working in 'bar shoes' or 'similar' for a long time. Pletcher is notorious for statements like these and this particular statement most likely meant that Todd Pletcher had been working him in similar type shoes until he recently switched him to bar shoes. The significance of this was that the horse's feet had not been right for some time and that the condition of them was most likely deteriorating. He was an easy toss in the Derby based on this.

Bobby Fischer · #12 05-06-2007, 07:33 PM

it was amazing that he won twice going 9f

blackthroatedwind · #13 05-06-2007, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Before the Derby, Todd Pletcher said that the horse had been working in 'bar shoes' or 'similar' for a long time. Pletcher is notorious for statements like these and this particular statement most likely meant that Todd Pletcher had been working him in similar type shoes until he recently switched him to bar shoes. The significance of this was that the horse's feet had not been right for some time and that the condition of them was most likely deteriorating. He was an easy toss in the Derby based on this.

Feel free to give us some other examples.

Gauchos0522 · #14 05-06-2007, 08:09 PM

Really just don't think he is that fast obviously the beyer numbers didn't lie for him or No Biz.

PPerfectfan · #15 05-06-2007, 09:30 PM

Before the Derby, Todd Pletcher said that the horse had been working in 'bar shoes' or 'similar' for a long time. Pletcher is notorious for statements like these and this particular statement most likely meant that Todd Pletcher had been working him in similar type shoes until he recently switched him to bar shoes

How do we know he was working in bar shoes before, I personally think he said that to try and make it not seem so bad. I think someone would have noticed it, or said something.

ALostTexan · #16 05-06-2007, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

Bold prediction - he'll win the Jim Dandy @ the Spa

I could definately see that. I cannot see him even starting the Belmont, much less winning it, but the Dandy is a race for him.

Are we going to see him take the rest of the summer of and 'train up' to it?

ALostTexan

Cannon Shell · #17 05-06-2007, 11:37 PM

Training in bar shoes is not really a big deal. Racing is.

KY_Sasquash · #18 05-07-2007, 09:17 AM

Did anybody see Scat Daddy's trip? Midway on the backstretch he ran up on somebody and his head was literally cocked to the left over the other horse's hip and then was bodyslammed by another horse from the outside, after that he spit the bit and Prado just stood up on him. I dont think he wouldve won the Derby, but certainly couldve put up a better effort.

MLC · #19 05-07-2007, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by KY_Sasquash

Did anybody see Scat Daddy's trip? Midway on the backstretch he ran up on somebody and his head was literally cocked to the left over the other horse's hip and then was bodyslammed by another horse from the outside, after that he spit the bit and Prado just stood up on him. I dont think he wouldve won the Derby, but certainly couldve put up a better effort.

I didn't see this, but I think he is better than his effort on Saturday.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #20 05-07-2007, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by PPerfectfan

How do we know he was working in bar shoes before, I personally think he said that to try and make it not seem so bad. I think someone would have noticed it, or said something.

I did notice it, but didn't post it here. Someone I know pointed it out to me. I did post it in my myspace blog called Derby Selections 3 days before the Derby.

Pletcher usually denies that there is a problem with one of his horses when there is one, tries to spin it so it doesn't sound like a big deal, or just doesn't mention that there is a problem at all when one exists with one of them. He covers his butt, and I can't blame him for it.

Other examples of Todd Pletcher's denials/cover-ups/or fail to mentions: Flower Alley, Any Given Saturday, Bluegrass Cat, etc...

I think quite a few horses are a lot more talented than they showed in the Derby. Scat Daddy is one of them, but I still don't think that he would have hit the board even if he was allowed to run his best race without the traffic problems.