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05-12-2007, 07:04 PM
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Best Group 2 in the world?
certainly a case could be made for the Derrinstown Stud Derby Trial at Leopardstown on tomorrow. So many top class horses have won this in the past 10 years..This looks between Motivator's bro Macauthor and Ballysax winner Mores Wells but a good run by Honoured Guest in the French Guineas could signal a good run by Archipenko who beat him by 6L at the end of last season.. I may be way off but I think that Admiralofthefleet is the best of O'Briens potential Derby horses but there should be huge improvement from Macauthor and I wouldnt be surprised to see him as the new Derby fav tomorrow evening..
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05-12-2007, 07:11 PM
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2000 Sinndar - top class 2 Derbys and an Arc
2001 Galileo - top class 2 Derbys and a King George 2002 High Chaparral - top class 2 Derbys, 2 Breeders Cups, an Irish Champion Stakes 2003 - Alamshar - top class Irish Derby, King George 2004 - Yeats - top class Cornation Cup, Ascot Gold Cup 2005 - Fracas - eh, not quite the same level as above 2006 - Dylan Thomas - top class Irish Derby, Irish Champion Stakes, Prix Ganay.. now to rate the above.. that could take some time..
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05-12-2007, 07:33 PM
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Usually a good race, but a rather non event this year. Four out of the five runners from Ballydoyle. They will stuff Mores Wells on the rails and give him nowhere to go while the fancied one gets a clear passage.
Unless Mores Wells wins tomorrow, this years derby winner WILL NOT come from the Derrinstown
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05-12-2007, 07:47 PM
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id rank them
High Chaparral (just so good on his day, had top class wins at 10-12f) Sinndar (terribly underrated, was such a good racehorse, his Arc win was superb) Galileo (brilliant on his day but career finished on a downer) Alamshar (inflicted Dalakhani's only loss and was class in the King George) Dylan Thomas (can obviously move up the list!) Yeats (shy of top class over 12f but has made into a special stayer) Fracas (he's ok!!)
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05-13-2007, 10:17 AM
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Hope Mores Wells can win today, but it will be tough for him against four runners that will help eachother out.
Fair play to Prendergast for running him, when many have been frightened off. He is the most likely Epsom Derby winner i have seen so far. It's not the end of the world if he gets beaten today, will just mean people will lay a bigger price for me to snap up!
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05-13-2007, 11:18 AM
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Well, i would be very surprised if any kind of Derby winner was in the Derrinstown today. Macarthur looks moderate and i still think he needs soft ground.
Mores Wells was really disappointing. He will improve with a step up in trip, but he didn't have the gears to go with them when they quicked today. Looks like my Derby bet is down the pan already. Well, i really hope Mahler gets aimed at the race because he has impressed me the most.
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05-13-2007, 12:36 PM
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i dont know just why macauthor was odds on fav when O'Brien was quoted in the morning as saying that there was a slight tweak in his muscle after the last race... the race didnt look great beforehand but the winner won it well and is entitled to improve dramatically as it was his first run of the year.. Im sticking with Admiral though...
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05-13-2007, 04:11 PM
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It was a poor race in my opinion. The winner has the right to improve, but if he is good enough to win the Epsom Derby this year, it will be a sorry state of affairs.
Macarthur was an apparent good thing according to people in the know, but i don't like the horse. He will be a different animal on soft ground and over further. At least rate, we are going to have a real competitive St Leger, or a very hot Triumph hurdle next year!!! Mahler is (and i quote) a "machine" and that comes from someone connected with the horse. They really should consider him for Epsom, not least because i have backed him!
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05-13-2007, 05:51 PM
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mahler improved dramatically first run to 2nd and has already won over the Derby trip so no stamina doubts there..theres a lot to like about him..
despite the royal lodge not being the best trial for future champs, i thought i saw a monster horse that day and still believe that after this week in chester. ill stay positive about this race. last years was knocked by most and it turned out to be a good winner. O'Briens derby horses will improve dramatically from now until Epsom and I wouldnt be surprised if the winner finds the 10 or so pounds to be competitive in Epsom.. We'll find out alot during the week with Authorised, but hope Salford Mill runs to get a bit of a guide.. i liked his win, but saying that Aculpoco wouldnt be that high up the pecking order in Ballydoyle
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05-13-2007, 06:02 PM
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Mahler has impressed me a great deal and i have had a dabble in the market at a nice price. My friend says he has strengthened so much since he won last week even, so that is positive. Duke Of Marmalade is also certain to take in the Irish 2000 guineas instead of the Derby, as might Eagle Mountain. Acapulco is VERY well thought of, but i get the impression that Salford Mill might just be a bit special without people actually realising it just yet. I haven't backed him for the Derby yet, but i probably will...... he looks very classy actually, and i hope he goes for the Dante to lower the colours of the massively overrated Authorized!!! I didn't see anything today that warranted me to take notice for the Derby, i certainly didn't knock last years Derrinstown, but this years was pretty average. Mores Wells had his excuses i suppose, but i couldn't really fancy him anymore for the Derby, but i still think he will win a nice race this year. I'm not sure the winner or the second will stay either, although they looked to be staying on nicely (especially Yellowstone), both he and Archipenko will struggle to stay a quickly run 12 furlongs judging on their pedigree in my opinion. Aidan, you know it makes sense. Just run Mahler and Soldier Of Fortune!!!
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05-14-2007, 06:12 PM
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updated news today from O'Brien and racingpost, who's heading where?
Horse - Most likely target Archipenko - Derby Yellowstone - Derby Anton Chekhov - French Derby Soldier Of Fortune - Derby Admiralofthefleet - Derby Mahler - Derby Eagle Mountain - Irish 2,000 Guineas Duke Of Marmalade - Irish 2,000 Guineas Mount Nelson - No immediate target Macarthur - No immediiate target Astronomer Royal - Royal Ascot Honoured Guest - Royal Ascot Excellent Art - Royal Ascot looks like we may get out two fancies there at least..
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05-14-2007, 06:23 PM
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Really hope they send Mahler to Epsom, although i'm not confident they will.
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05-10-2008, 07:44 AM
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Will probably head to the town tomorrow to see the Derrinstown but also to see my fav Aussie horse Haradusun make his debut for APOB..
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05-11-2008, 11:12 AM
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CASUAL CONQUEST - great win there from him, destroyed the Coolmore hype horse Washington Irving by 6L. Weld has put some high class horses in this race and not won (Relaxed Gesture, Vinnie Roe) and this guy looks like he could develop into a top class horse
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05-09-2009, 04:08 PM
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That time of year again - All set for another top class edition of the Derrinstown Stud Derby Trial. A review of the winners since 2000:
2000 Sinndar - top class 2 Derbys and an Arc 2001 Galileo - top class 2 Derbys and a King George 2002 High Chaparral - top class 2 Derbys, 2 Breeders Cups, an Irish Champion Stakes 2003 - Alamshar - top class Irish Derby, King George 2004 - Yeats - top class Cornation Cup, Ascot Gold Cup 2005 - Fracas - eh, not quite the same level as above 2006 - Dylan Thomas - top class Irish Derby, Irish Champion Stakes x 2, Prix Ganay, King George, Arc 2007 - Archipenko - top class, Audemars Piguet QE II Cup winner, 2nd Arlington Million, 3rd Dubai Duty Free 2008 - Casual Conquest - on the verge of being top class, 3rd Epsom Derby, 2nd Irish Derby, in training this year. 2009s edition N0. FORM HORSE AGE WGT TRAINER RTF% JOCKEY OR TS RPR 1 1 11-1 Fame And Glory 21 3 9-4 A P O´Brien J A Heffernan 112 — 127 b c Montjeu — Gryada (GB) (Shirley Heights (GB)) 2 5 32-122 Fergus McIver 7 b1 3 9-1 J S Bolger D J Moran 105 — 122 b c Sadler´s Wells (USA) — Danelissima (Danehill (USA)) 3 7 156-44 Hail Caesar 21 3 9-1 A P O´Brien C O'Donoghue 102 — 119 gr c Montjeu — Alabastrine (GB) (Green Desert (USA)) 4 6 41-0 Liszt 21 3 9-1 A P O´Brien S M Levey 93 — 99 gr c Galileo — Corrine (Spectrum) 5 2 35- Loch Long 214 3 9-1 Tracey Collins P Shanahan — — 89 b c Galileo — Spinney (GB) (Unfuwain (USA)) 6 4 8121-3 Mourayan 21 3 9-1 John M Oxx M J Kinane 111 — 127 b c Alhaarth — Mouramara (Kahyasi (GB)) 7 3 056-8 Tarankali 21 3 9-1 John M Oxx F M Berry 90 — 111
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05-09-2009, 04:24 PM
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I think Fame And Glory could be very good. I say "think" because won very, very well on his debut this year (when Aidan's horses have been needing the run and so far have failed to impress). He seemed to win easily there and will no doubt come on a bundle, as all of Aidan's do.
However, I don't like the fact he was able to win over ten furlongs on heavy ground as a two year old. To me that suggests he could be rather slow. I'm also not convinced that Aidan has a great crop of middle distance three year old colts this year. He seems to be taking stabs in the dark at all of the Derby trials, with horses seemingly not good enough (although won the Derby trial at Lingfield today). I just think that this could be a pretty lean year for O'Brien. Mourayan looked good last year but was put in his place by Fame and Glory last month, and although he will improve for that, he surely can't have been so much further behind the O'Brien runner in terms of fitness? He's another one that would seem to be too slow this year. Your thoughts, Brock?
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05-10-2009, 06:49 AM
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No Chance, its a very tough race to decipher. Its surely between the top 2 who could both be potential superstars. It's hard enough to take the last race completely at face value as Mourayan was checked coming round the home turn and surely would have gone much closer than he did. Whatever happens today, he defo looks a 12f horse. I was surprised Fame and Glory won last time out as O'Brien's horses were in such desperate form but he won it well enough. He only has a 3lb penalty today compared to a 5lb one in the Ballysax. If he is typical O'Brien type, he should improve a ton for the Ballysax run which is quite a scary thought. I laid him last night at 1.82 as he was far too short, I might decide to back him if he goes to about 2.2 or so.
Oxx sounds reasonably confident in Mourayan today so I think I'll side with him but I dont think I'll be playing it big. Its strange that we could have 2 top notchers here today bred to relish the Derby trip but both stables potentially have a better Derby candidate in their barn.
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05-10-2009, 09:31 AM
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high chap should have won the bc race..le franco de stiffo
 
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05-10-2009, 12:17 PM
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Well, I take that back about Fame And Glory could turn out to be slow. However, I think we can say that Mourayan could be put under that category.
Ridden confidently, travelled well, quickened and powered away. Scary thought is that he'll be better over a mile and half, but with Mourayan looking very one paced there is a question mark as to what he beat in winning this. Mourayan looks like the St Leger type and in time could turn out to be a serious cup horse, but you'd have to say he wouldn't have the speed to win at Epsom. Fame And Glory looks to have everything, but like I say I'm not going to go over board about him (unlike the bookmakers) as I'm not sure what this form is worth. I'm pretty sure that if Gan Amhras had turned up for this, he'd have either won or pushed Fame And Glory right to the line. Thoughts?
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