REAL Sports profile on juice in racing

[ateamstupid]

Coming up in a few minutes on HBO if anyone is interested.

[smuthg]

not a good start to this...

[-BT-]

Ol Stevey trying to put the shoe on the other foot.

But, in his defense (if he has one) the guy has 1000+ starters a year, i'd be surprised if he actually saddled 1/3rd of them.

wish i could have heard what Lake and Mullins had to say about this report

-bt-

Deny deny deny.

[saucon17]

I wish they said the name of the horse who made over 500K and last raced with a broken pelvis. The trainer of that horse should be F-ing barred from ever training another racehorse.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by saucon17

I wish they said the name of the horse who made over 500K and last raced with a broken pelvis. The trainer of that horse should be F ing barred from ever training another racehorse.

I believe that I would be suspicious of the whole broken pelvis story.

[jman5581]

How does a horse race with a broken pelvis?

[saucon17]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I believe that I would be suspicious of the whole broken pelvis story.

If it is true, that is downright disgusting.

[Cannon Shell]

I was interviewed for this story along with many other's in the industry who were not shown. Obviously there is some truth to what was reported however during my interview they repeatedly asked loaded questions. In one instance the interviewer said to me that Barbaro was obviously drugged. But in the end they used the old standby's Sahadi and Arthur. They said that Dutrow and Pletcher refused to be interviewed and in light of Assmussens few minutes it sound like they did the right thing.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by saucon17

If it is true, that is downright disgusting.

They found the horse in a feedlot going to slaughter. It is not like he had been receiving quality care. It is a real stretch to singularly blame drugs for that horses problems.

Originally Posted by jman5581

How does a horse race with a broken pelvis?

Broken and cracked... I think an animal can have a crack even hairline and it can be called broken. It may be the animal can still run as long as long it is in a part of the pelvis that is not going to hinder the stride. I bet it still hurts like hell though. Guess he was drugged up. And the pounding probably does not help with the healing process.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Broken and cracked... I think an animal can have a crack even hairline and it can be called broken. It may be the animal can still run as long as long it is in a part of the pelvis that is not going to hinder the stride. I bet it still hurts like hell though. Guess he was drugged up. And the pounding probably does not help with the healing process.

There is no legal drug that would mask a broken pelvis

[saucon17]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

They found the horse in a feedlot going to slaughter. It is not like he had been receiving quality care. It is a real stretch to singularly blame drugs for that horses problems.

I've been to New Holland in Pa. a couple of times and the condition of the non-thoroughbred horse were just sickly to look at and most of T-breds were in o.k. condition. Most of horses were not getting quality care like you said. It's sad to see how some people treat this wonderful animals.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by saucon17

I've been to New Holland in Pa. a couple of times and the condition of the non-thoroughbred horse were just sickly to look at and most of T-breds were in o.k. condition. Most of horses were not getting quality care like you said. It's sad to see how some people treat this wonderful animals.

It is horrible but a different topic. I am always suspect when no details are given. Just because they said that the horse had raced with a broken pelvis does not mean it was true. If it was true then why not show some video of his last race?

Well it's a given that you shouldn't believe everything you hear on a show that has a reporter that looks like an anorexic version of Grandpa Munster.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There is no legal drug that would mask a broken pelvis

I know humans can have a broken pelvis and not know it. It hurts but sometimes they are told its just a broken tailbone and it will heal. Then they go in for X-rays and the tailbone is not cracked its actually a crack in the pelvis. The pelvis is obviously set up differently in upright animals.

So you are saying any little crack in the pelvis could not possilby be masked with drugs?

[saucon17]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It is horrible but a different topic. I am always suspect when no details are given. Just because they said that the horse had raced with a broken pelvis does not mean it was true. If it was true then why not show some video of his last race?

Yeah they should showed a video of his/her last race. "Real Sports" was trying to push their own agenda on the sport.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I know humans can have a broken pelvis and not know it. It hurts but sometimes they are told its just a broken tailbone and it will heal. Then they go in for X-rays and the tailbone is not cracked its actually a crack in the pelvis. The pelvis is obviously set up differently in upright animals.

So you are saying any little crack in the pelvis could not possilby be masked with drugs?

It is possible that a horse could run with a hairline fracture. It would be very difficult to pinpoint a hairline fracture without going to a clinic for xrays. Anything worse than a hairline and the horse would be in major pain and there is no way that the horse could run regardless of the curcuit.

[ateamstupid]

I don't care how loaded the questions were, when one of Scott Lake's horses can test positive for cocaine and he's not seriously reprimanded, this sport has major issues.

[blackthroatedwind]

I was glad to hear Arthur say what a bad stuation it is for bettors.