Lukas living in the past? I dream of Cat Thief, and Spain

MisterB · #1 05-17-2007, 07:59 AM

It sure seems fitting for D. Wayne to come in here with the old days on his mind. I ripped tickets the days he stuck it to me back then. The Cat showed up with a $41.00 win, then he busted my balls with Spains $113.00 winning effort. I am sure he must still have that pic hanging on his wall some place.

Now he comes to the plate with a fast horse, that falls apart after 7 panels. Being a flame thrower, he must be pulling the trigger like Jones did back in the Derby. Does he really think he can cash here? I guess so. What is Guidry's orders this fine Saturday? Seems pretty easy to me, gun the basterd, and see how far he can run Mark. Sure looks like he will be standing in line for some crab cakes after it's all over, but I ripped both time before.

O hell, good luck Old man, I'll have 2 bucks on your horse anyway, I need a souvenir.

timmgirvan · #2 05-17-2007, 08:07 AM

I remember when Lukas shipped Pancho Villa to NY for a Stakes race....went of at 29-1 and smoked 'em

Cajungator26 · #3 05-17-2007, 09:28 AM

As stupid as this is, I'm putting $2 across on him because he's coming out of the 6 hole and because there's a line in Fergie's song, Glamorous, about 'flying first class.'

Just a strange vibe.

#4 05-17-2007, 09:33 AM

This thread is grizzled.

I'll have no part of losing nostalgia. This "horse" has no shot.

Cajungator26 · #5 05-17-2007, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

This thread is grizzled.

I'll have no part of losing nostalgia. This "horse" has no shot.

I don't think so either, but I'll be damned if I don't have something on him just in case Lukas pulls a 'fast one.'

#6 05-17-2007, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I don't think so either, but I'll be damned if I don't have something on him just in case Lukas pulls a 'fast one.'

I think 3 40's of O.E. would be a better $6 investment.

Cajungator26 · #7 05-17-2007, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I think 3 40's of O.E. would be a better $6 investment.

You're probably right!

blackthroatedwind · #8 05-17-2007, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I remember when Lukas shipped Pancho Villa to NY for a Stakes race....went of at 29-1 and smoked 'em

He paid around $35....not $60.

blackthroatedwind · #9 05-17-2007, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

As stupid as this is, I'm putting $2 across on him because he's coming out of the 6 hole and because there's a line in Fergie's song, Glamorous, about 'flying first class.'

Just a strange vibe.

I am sorry I saw this.

Shouldn't there be a special room for this kind of stuff?

Cajungator26 · #10 05-17-2007, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I am sorry I saw this.

Shouldn't there be a special room for this kind of stuff?

Well, tell me there's another reason this horse might hit the board? I surely don't see it.

blackthroatedwind · #11 05-17-2007, 10:55 AM

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Well, tell me there's another reason this horse might hit the board? I surely don't see it.

Fairy dust?

King Glorious · #12 05-17-2007, 10:59 AM

I know about Going Wild. I know about some other seeming longshots that Lukas has brought to these races. I also know about Charismatic, Commendable, Thunder Gulch, Spain, and Cat Thief. If anyone deserves the benefit of the doubt in this kind of situation, it's him. Plus, I do believe that the horse has some actual talent. Strange as it seems, I think he wins the Arkansas Derby if Curlin wasn't in there. I think that if Curlin wasn't there and the rider didn't have to make his move when he did to keep up with Curlin, he could have waited just a bit longer and the result could have been a lot different. I don't expect FFC to win the Preakness but it wouldn't be a total shock to me either. I give him about a 50% chance to hit the tri.

blackthroatedwind · #13 05-17-2007, 11:01 AM

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I give him about a 50% chance to hit the tri.

Because I like you, I will give you 6:5.

The usual internet $40K I assume?

philcski · #14 05-17-2007, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

I know about Going Wild. I know about some other seeming longshots that Lukas has brought to these races. I also know about Charismatic, Commendable, Thunder Gulch, Spain, and Cat Thief. If anyone deserves the benefit of the doubt in this kind of situation, it's him. Plus, I do believe that the horse has some actual talent. Strange as it seems, I think he wins the Arkansas Derby if Curlin wasn't in there. I think that if Curlin wasn't there and the rider didn't have to make his move when he did to keep up with Curlin, he could have waited just a bit longer and the result could have been a lot different. I don't expect FFC to win the Preakness but it wouldn't be a total shock to me either. I give him about a 50% chance to hit the tri.

Thunder Gulch? All he won prior to the Derby was the Remsen, Fountain of Youth, Florida Derby, and was 2nd in the Hollywood Futurity and Cowdin.

FFC is no Thunder Gulch.

King Glorious · #15 05-17-2007, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Because I like you, I will give you 6:5.

The usual internet $40K I assume?

Let's make it a cool million. Why play for chump change? I have it as:

1. Curlin
2. Circular Quay
3. Hard Spun
4. Street Sense
5. Flying First Class

ArlJim78 · #16 05-17-2007, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

I know about Going Wild. I know about some other seeming longshots that Lukas has brought to these races. I also know about Charismatic, Commendable, Thunder Gulch, Spain, and Cat Thief. If anyone deserves the benefit of the doubt in this kind of situation, it's him. Plus, I do believe that the horse has some actual talent. Strange as it seems, I think he wins the Arkansas Derby if Curlin wasn't in there. I think that if Curlin wasn't there and the rider didn't have to make his move when he did to keep up with Curlin, he could have waited just a bit longer and the result could have been a lot different. I don't expect FFC to win the Preakness but it wouldn't be a total shock to me either. I give him about a 50% chance to hit the tri.

Yes it is strange to think that with Curlin not in the Ark Derby, that FCC would have beaten the 4 other horses that finished in front of him that day.

chances of him being in the tri? 25:1 if you ask me.
I think he has no shot to win, I think he is a sprinter and will not get this distance.

slotdirt · #17 05-17-2007, 11:21 AM

I think it's kind of funny that King Glorious says in one post that Flying First Class has a 50 percent shot of getting in the tri, then in the next post ranks him fifth among the Preakness contenders. I'm no mathmetician, but I don't think that adds up very well.

Pedigree Ann · #18 05-17-2007, 11:21 AM

Remember the reason I thought Stormello wouldn't last a classic distance? Mainly because of his female family, that has been geared toward producing hot 2yos and sprinter/milers? Well, Flying First Class is from the same family, the Solidity bunch from Old English Rancho. His sire, Perfect Mandate, is from the same sort of family and has been siring that sort of horse. A one-turn mile like the Derby Trial is exactly the sort of race that FFC that would be best suited by.

Chelokee also has something to prove on pedigree; his sire has had many a good horse who couldn't run past 8.5f (Chilukki, Kafwain) without looking for a taxi, and Silver Ghost isn't exactly a fount of stamina, either. Only the dam's dam's side can give you hope, and mum was best as a turf miler.

King Glorious · #19 05-17-2007, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Yes it is strange to think that with Curlin not in the Ark Derby, that FCC would have beaten the 4 other horses that finished in front of him that day.

chances of him being in the tri? 25:1 if you ask me.
I think he has no shot to win, I think he is a sprinter and will not get this distance.

Sort of like I think that Winning Colors would have won the Preakness if Forty Niner wasn't in there. Sometimes, the presence of one horse can alter your strategy enough to where u totally compromise your chances to win the race. Perhaps a better example would be that Forty Niner could have maybe won the race if Winning Colors wasn't in there.

When I watched the Arkansas Derby, I got a sense that the rider of FFC was riding as if Curlin was the horse to beat. Curlin made his move and so FFC had to move in order to keep within striking distance. I felt the move was a little early for him and as a result, he flattened out in the lane and was passed by some horses and finished fourth. Maybe if Curlin was not in the race, the rider of FFC could have waited a bit longer before making his move and the result could have been different. I'm not saying that's the way it would have gone but that's the feeling I had watching the race.

The Indomitable DrugS · #20 05-17-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

I think it's kind of funny that King Glorious says in one post that Flying First Class has a 50 percent shot of getting in the tri, then in the next post ranks him fifth among the Preakness contenders. I'm no mathmetician, but I don't think that adds up very well.

It doesn't.