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Old 08-19-2007, 07:52 PM
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he didn't have it
the new surface must be to blame

Brass Hat should've tried these
I mean if Student Council can win
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:58 PM
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They all slow down at some point. I'm surprized that more didn't come out to try this race.
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Old 08-19-2007, 08:02 PM
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If u think this has to do with Lava Man losing a step, I have to strongly disagree. I have been saying from the start of the year that he's lost several steps from the previous years but give me a break; they went 6f in 1:14.81 He was well in hand behind that pace and yet he was ABSOLUTELY DONE by the top of the lane. He's lost some steps but he hasn't lost that many steps between the Hollywood Gold Cup and now. That track killed him. It's not horse racing anymore at Del Mar. It's randomness at it's best.
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Old 08-19-2007, 08:02 PM
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The new surface is a complete joke....and the people who can't see that are pretty amusing as well.

The disgraceful Student Council....whos last win came back in January at Sam Houston, just made a mockery of Lava Man at level weights while winning the Pacific Classic.

I only didn't boycott betting the race....because Awesome Gem was 14/1 with a few minutes to go, and looked like the one horse in the race who would most thrive in running a steeplechase race...minus all the jumps and hurdles.

Will they please just concede that they made a $9 million mistake....and bring back the dirt at Del Mar next year!?

Student Council is now a Grade 1 winner! The only thing more surprising is that I didn't go blind from watching that hideous eyesore of a race.
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Old 08-19-2007, 08:05 PM
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ouch

that was an awful race.

2:07 and change

2:07?! not a typo....THAT is ridiculous. no way that race should keep it's graded status.
but i've said before, and i'll say it now, i don't know how these graded races retain their status, as one of the rules to retain is that it be run the SAME WAY. obviously a surface change is a change. just like if a turf race gets rained off, it is no longer graded.
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Old 08-19-2007, 08:05 PM
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I'll let others argue about Lava Man, however, that was an excellent ride by Richie Migliore. I've always said, he is one of the -- if not the -- best strategists on the track -- any track. A true student of the game.

Congratulations to Richie -- well deserved and a great guy.

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Old 08-19-2007, 08:05 PM
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The new surface is a complete joke....and the people who can't see that are pretty amusing as well.

The disgraceful Student Council....whos last win came back in January at Sam Houston, just made a mockery of Lava Man at level weights while winning the Pacific Classic.

I only didn't boycott betting the race....because Awesome Gem was 14/1 with a few minutes to go, and looked like the one horse in the race who would most thrive in running a steeplechase race...minus all the jumps and hurdles.

Will they please just concede that they made a $9 million mistake....and bring back the dirt at Del Mar next year!?

Student Council is now a Grade 1 winner! The only thing more surprising is that I didn't go blind from watching that hideous eyesore of a race.
you should post that at thorograph
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Old 08-19-2007, 08:07 PM
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The Mig

The Poly

The slow race

The bad horses

California racing at its finest.

Student Council was routinely outworked by crows at CHD on the dirt. Outran by mediocre horses in the afternoon, sold because he was slow. Now hes a G1 winner like Drugs said. Its obscene
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The new surface is a complete joke....and the people who can't see that are pretty amusing as well.

The disgraceful Student Council....whos last win came back in January at Sam Houston, just made a mockery of Lava Man at level weights while winning the Pacific Classic.

I only didn't boycott betting the race....because Awesome Gem was 14/1 with a few minutes to go, and looked like the one horse in the race who would most thrive in running a steeplechase race...minus all the jumps and hurdles.

Will they please just concede that they made a $9 million mistake....and bring back the dirt at Del Mar next year!?

Student Council is now a Grade 1 winner! The only thing more surprising is that I didn't go blind from watching that hideous eyesore of a race.
and a win and your in race. that joker is now bc bound.
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Old 08-19-2007, 08:10 PM
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He will follow up his Pacific classic win in his normal fashion.... A trouncing at the hands of decent dirt horses. Poly has made a mockery of a great game, its disgusting at best. The fact that Student Council is a G1 winner is pretty disturbing.
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Old 08-19-2007, 08:16 PM
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He will follow up his Pacific classic win in his normal fashion.... A trouncing at the hands of decent dirt horses. Poly has made a mockery of a great game, its disgusting at best. The fact that Student Council is a G1 winner is pretty disturbing.
And In Summation. Don't forget him (although I thought he was the best 2yo of his year.)
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Old 08-19-2007, 08:20 PM
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I'll let others argue about Lava Man, however, that was an excellent ride by Richie Migliore. I've always said, he is one of the -- if not the -- best strategists on the track -- any track. A true student of the game.

Congratulations to Richie -- well deserved and a great guy.

Eric

The only strategy applied here was "hey, let's take a sub-par east coast allowance horse and win a Grade One in California." I look for that strategy to repeat itself many times over in the next couple of years.
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Old 08-19-2007, 08:26 PM
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The only strategy applied here was "hey, let's take a sub-par east coast allowance horse and win a Grade One in California." I look for that strategy to repeat itself many times over in the next couple of years.
Whatever negativity and gripes everyone has about the track, poly, quality of horses -- everyone can agree on that. Sub-par or not, he had to ride the race. I am sure the pools were open outside of CA. The track was the track for everyone in, and the entry box was open. The race itself -- it was what it was and he still had to ride the race. I don't hear anyone talking about this horse being a layover and Mig having to point him the right direction. But I am sure innumerable people played him and made a score.

Like it or not, the jock rode an excellent race. His ride was well executed.

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Old 08-19-2007, 08:39 PM
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He doesn't ship well...now he doesn't like the poly...if you are the BEST horse these excuses shouldn't come into play. He is a great California dirt horse...lets tear up the poly so LavaMan can win a race. 2:07..I mean come on..even the greats have bad days!!!
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Old 08-19-2007, 08:41 PM
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The only strategy applied here was "hey, let's take a sub-par east coast allowance horse and win a Grade One in California." I look for that strategy to repeat itself many times over in the next couple of years.

good point. now watch the beat.
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The only strategy applied here was "hey, let's take a sub-par east coast allowance horse and win a Grade One in California." I look for that strategy to repeat itself many times over in the next couple of years.
I think we've seen again and again that sub-par East Coast horses can beat the best West Coast horses, especially out of CA.
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Old 08-19-2007, 10:26 PM
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obnoxious.. and Kimmeastar hasn't even made a post yet
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Old 08-19-2007, 10:32 PM
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Bring out The Green Monkey to CA. They'll get their easy G1 and it's off the stud! lol
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