4th at DEL today

[ShadowRoll]

Ay Caramba!

4th Race

Next Post 2:37 Off: 2:08 | 6 Furlongs | 3 Year Olds And Up | Maiden Claiming ($10,000) | Purse: $15,670

# Horse Jockey Weight Win Place Show
4 Windy Coyote Rivera G A 123 226.40 62.80 28.60
8 Salute the Moon Velez J G 119 8.00 4.60
6 Yankee Ridge Carmouche K 119 5.00


Finish Time: 1:13.90

Also ran: Pokeys Punch, Bald Island, Fish Fly Soup, Allen's Bullet, Hat City, Dyer Maker and Little Lightning

Winning Trainer: Reyes Alejandro - Owner: Rangel Susana

$2 Exacta (4-8) Paid $1,188.20

$2 Trifecta (4-8-6) Paid $5,331.00

$2 Daily Double (1-4) Paid $257.20 Daily Double Pool $11,277

$2 Pick 3 (1-1-4) 3 Correct Paid $315.00 Pick 3 Pool $9,479

$1 Superfecta (4-8-6-9) Paid $82,387.40

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by ShadowRoll

Ay Caramba!

4th Race

Next Post 2:37 Off: 2:08 | 6 Furlongs | 3 Year Olds And Up | Maiden Claiming ($10,000) | Purse: $15,670

# Horse Jockey Weight Win Place Show
4 Windy Coyote Rivera G A 123 226.40 62.80 28.60
8 Salute the Moon Velez J G 119 8.00 4.60
6 Yankee Ridge Carmouche K 119 5.00


Finish Time: 1:13.90

Also ran: Pokeys Punch, Bald Island, Fish Fly Soup, Allen's Bullet, Hat City, Dyer Maker and Little Lightning

Winning Trainer: Reyes Alejandro - Owner: Rangel Susana

$2 Exacta (4-8) Paid $1,188.20

$2 Trifecta (4-8-6) Paid $5,331.00

$2 Daily Double (1-4) Paid $257.20 Daily Double Pool $11,277

$2 Pick 3 (1-1-4) 3 Correct Paid $315.00 Pick 3 Pool $9,479

$1 Superfecta (4-8-6-9) Paid $82,387.40

Call me skeptical but this pay-off is a joke. How can I possibly believe that this race was on the up and up? The Parlay would've paid $1,122.94, while the Pick 3 paid $315? That means there were 45 $1 tix that had the correct Pick 3. Seriously?

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Call me skeptical but this pay-off is a joke. How can I possibly believe that this race was on the up and up? The Parlay would've paid $1,122.94, while the Pick 3 paid $315? That means there were 45 $1 tix that had the correct Pick 3. Seriously?

There wasn't much $ in the pool and chalk in the first 2 legs

[cmorioles]

The horse paid $226 and you think it was a putover? "They" only decided to hit the P3 pool and leave the win and exacta pools alone? Yes, that makes sense.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

The horse paid $226 and you think it was a putover? "They" only decided to hit the P3 pool and leave the win and exacta pools alone? Yes, that makes sense.

The only thing that I think is that something is wrong. Do the Pick 3 numbers look correct in any way to you? There was a total of $228 bet to win on this horse, and somehow 45 winning ($1) tickets had this horse to complete the Pick 3?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

The only thing that I think is that something is wrong. Do the Pick 3 numbers look correct in any way to you? There was a total of $228 bet to win on this horse, and somehow 45 winning ($1) tickets had this horse to complete the Pick 3?

Strange things happen when the pools are small. There are a lot of alls in the third leg most likely, and most were alive after two chalks won early.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Strange things happen when the pools are small. There are a lot of alls in the third leg most likely, and most were alive after two chalks won early.

It was actually 2nd choice in the first leg and favorite in the 2nd leg. And even if someone chose to hit the all button, how many all tickets were they going to punch with not one but two overwhelming favorites in the race as the 2 (2:1 M/L) and 3 (3:1 M/L) both went off at 3/2? Especially when their 1st 2 legs were short priced horses?

So if your Pick 3 came back $315 with a 112:1 horse completing the wager you would be okay with it?

Oh, and by the way, he is a 6YO Maiden with over 20 races, who hadn't run since May, when he, from what I can gather, ran 7th.

[cmorioles]

I play a lot of small pool tracks, P3s included. This is not really out of the norm, that is all I'm saying.

[infield_line]

you look at the PP's on that horse and just go..."what?"

I'm sorry, you can't tell me that there's no monkey business going on for a horse with that record and a 2% trainer who's run like 10 horses in his life....

I picked the 8...highly reasonable 2nd...that horse 1st....come on..

I/L

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by infield_line

you look at the PP's on that horse and just go..."what?"

I'm sorry, you can't tell me that there's no monkey business going on for a horse with that record and a 2% trainer who's run like 10 horses in his life....

I picked the 8...highly reasonable 2nd...that horse 1st....come on..

I/L

Which is exactly why he paid $200+.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Call me skeptical but this pay-off is a joke. How can I possibly believe that this race was on the up and up? The Parlay would've paid $1,122.94, while the Pick 3 paid $315? That means there were 45 $1 tix that had the correct Pick 3. Seriously?

That was the first thing that caught my eye, the low pick-3, but then again I lived in Portland, OR and have played Portland Meadows a ton and you really just never ever know with the pools when they're small.

One day at PM it runs 5/2, 8/1, 15/1 and your tri pays $125, a week later the same sequence pays $1,500.

I learned to just expect nothing rational, and early in the card at DEL it seems possible.

While I don't think it was a putover in the least, it really does seem ridiculous that that so many ticket would come in correct when the horse was such a longshot. Basically, it just sucks to be the one sitting there with a P-3 ticket and no win money on that one.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

That was the first thing that caught my eye, the low pick-3, but then again I lived in Portland, OR and have played Portland Meadows a ton and you really just never ever know with the pools when they're small.

One day at PM it runs 5/2, 8/1, 15/1 and your tri pays $125, a week later the same sequence pays $1,500.

I learned to just expect nothing rational, and early in the card at DEL it seems possible.

While I don't think it was a putover in the least, it really does seem ridiculous that that so many ticket would come in correct when the horse was such a longshot. Basically, it just sucks to be the one sitting there with a P-3 ticket and no win money on that one.

Unlike the horse who won the first at Mountaineer by 3 lengths and paid $195 to win.

[infield_line]

but I think it is interesting, maybe just racing randomness, but you look at LRL and DEL and really look at some of the horses that have no logical chance and suddenly run their eyeballs out... like 0-53 and suddenly win against other horses with much better records and every right to win.....

How many $200+ win payoffs occur at BEL or SAR or any first line track? I think it would be an interesting study to look at $100 plus win payoffs and see how many of those horses ever win again, or win within the next 10 races. Granted, you can argue that there are more wiseguys following the bigger tracks, so fewer horses get missed.

I'm not griping, I did not have anything on the race other than my time analyzing the card, but that horse was not pickable by any capping method or angle (other than throw a dart) and that frankly discourages me from wanting to play lesser tracks, not draws me to them chasing big payoffs.....

I/L

[Danzig]

i saw a dime super pay over 10k, and the one just after paid 12 bucks. funny things happen.