Classy move by Vikings

[GPK]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3100835

[ninetoone]

Karma will catch up to the Vikes on that one...

[GPK]

Originally Posted by ninetoone

Karma will catch up to the Vikes on that one...

I hope so...karma is a mother f*cker...

[skippy3481]

What a bullsh*t idea. The NFL gripes because players can't stay out of jail, and here's a guy that is a family guy that gets docked for going to the funeral of the person that raised him. Hell, next time just snort 2 grams of coke and get back on the field. Sh*t like this pisses me the F*ck off.

That team is garbage. Guy deserves better.

[skippy3481]

It's not like tavaris jackson can throw for crap anyway.

[ninetoone]

I hope nobody in the Vikes organization is surprised the next time he gets a case of the "gator arms" when he goes across the middle, or maybe runs out of bounds instead of going for that first down...you reap what you sow. F the Vikings.

[golfer]

Agree with all, that was nothing short of disgraceful. Makes it very easy to root against them the rest of the season.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

What you're really saying is that fans should have to pay a guy even though he wasn't able to make himself available to play. If a golfer couldn't play in a tournament (for this same reason,) then he wouldn't get paid.He wouldn't consider it punishment.This guy wasn't able to play.It was a personal matter that was involved.He wasn't hurt(which is how most athletes get paid while not producing a product called entertainment.)I think golf got it right(pay athletes based on performance.)Jason Schmidt got paid $15,703,946 for doing nothing this year.He didn't produce a product called entertainment.Does anybody take responsibility for the fans having to pay this guy? No,the G.M. is not punished...Only the fans get punished.So,no,I am not for paying athletes that don't play games.This bullshit is the reason the cost to go to games is out of hand.If they get injured,and it's of course nobody's fault,then why doesn't the athlete have to give up half his money,and the fans pay him half money(for doing nothing.)The Viking player should be allowed to take off whatever time he needs to take off,but don't expect to get paid when ya don't show up.This is a 100% performance based business.Time to start running it that way.This is not a fireman's job.Somebody just as good is not gunna always be around to do the job.We didn't quite have another Jason to pitch.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

What you're really saying is that fans should have to pay a guy even though he wasn't able to make himself available to play. If a golfer couldn't play in a tournament (for this same reason,) then he wouldn't get paid.He wouldn't consider it punishment.This guy wasn't able to play.It was a personal matter that was involved.He wasn't hurt(which is how most athletes get paid while not producing a product called entertainment.)I think golf got it right(pay athletes based on performance.)Jason Schmidt got paid $15,703,946 for doing nothing this year.He didn't produce a product called entertainment.Does anybody take responsibility for the fans having to pay this guy? No,the G.M. is not punished...Only the fans get punished.So,no,I am not for paying athletes that don't play games.This bullshit is the reason the cost to go to games is out of hand.If they get injured,and it's of course nobody's fault,then why doesn't the athlete have to give up half his money,and the fans pay him half money(for doing nothing.)The Viking player should be allowed to take off whatever time he needs to take off,but don't expect to get paid when ya don't show up.This is a 100% performance based business.Time to start running it that way.This is not a fireman's job.Somebody just as good is not gunna always be around to do the job.We didn't quite have another Jason to pitch.

Scuds...I have to disagree..There are always exceptions to the "100% performance based business"..and they exist all the time in sports. How can you call this "bullshit"?

Wait ..I missed another one "This...is the reason the cost to go to games is so out of hand"??

[The Indomitable DrugS]

The Vikings did something much worse - they traded Moss to Norv Turner and the insane Art Shell.

I guess it was the only thing worse than playing in Minn. with a historically bad defense every year - a crappy running game once Robert Smith retired - and having the misfortune of having the most overrated football player in sports history (Duante Culpepper) as their QB.

Did anyone who watched the Vikings in the late 90's and earlier this decade not think that Jeff George and Gus Ferrotte were both MUCH better QBs than Duante ever was? The decrepit Randall Cunningham was like Dan Marino in his prime compared to Duante.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

What you're really saying is that fans should have to pay a guy even though he wasn't able to make himself available to play. If a golfer couldn't play in a tournament (for this same reason,) then he wouldn't get paid.He wouldn't consider it punishment.This guy wasn't able to play.It was a personal matter that was involved.He wasn't hurt(which is how most athletes get paid while not producing a product called entertainment.)I think golf got it right(pay athletes based on performance.)Jason Schmidt got paid $15,703,946 for doing nothing this year.He didn't produce a product called entertainment.Does anybody take responsibility for the fans having to pay this guy? No,the G.M. is not punished...Only the fans get punished.So,no,I am not for paying athletes that don't play games.This bullshit is the reason the cost to go to games is out of hand.If they get injured,and it's of course nobody's fault,then why doesn't the athlete have to give up half his money,and the fans pay him half money(for doing nothing.)The Viking player should be allowed to take off whatever time he needs to take off,but don't expect to get paid when ya don't show up.This is a 100% performance based business.Time to start running it that way.This is not a fireman's job.Somebody just as good is not gunna always be around to do the job.We didn't quite have another Jason to pitch.

Scuds...good points...but don't agree with you. With regards to golf...isn't there a medical exemption status however if a guy has a major injury and can't play for an extended period losing his expemtion isn't he given a period where he is allowed to play for a period of time where he otherwise wouldnt' be exempt...for example he is exempt in 2007 but can't play for most of the season due to his injury and would normally lose his exemption in 2008 for lack of winnings, but wouldn't he be allowed to play for a period of time in 2008 when his injury was cured to try to earn some money??

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The Vikings did something much worse - they traded Moss to Norv Turner and the insane Art Shell.

I guess it was the only thing worse than playing in Minn. with a historically bad defense every year - a crappy running game once Robert Smith retired - and having the misfortune of having the most overrated football player in sports history (Duante Culpepper) as their QB.

Did anyone who watched the Vikings in the late 90's and earlier this decade not think that Jeff George and Gus Ferrotte were both MUCH better QBs than Duante ever was? The decrepit Randall Cunningham was like Dan Marino in his prime compared to Duante.

No. Frerotte had one good year with Miami and they passed on resigning him in favor of AJ Feeley and Jay Fiddler. No, he's not good. The one year he actually played for Minnesota, he threw 5 or 6 TD passed.

No. Jeff George was not better than Culpepper. George had a few good years but if you lined up his best 5 years vs Culpeppers, it's not even close, even leaving out the 2,000+ yards rushing to George's near none.

ButI always liked watching Jeff George play.

[ninetoone]

Jeff George, million dollar arm w/a nickel brain...

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Scuds...good points...but don't agree with you. With regards to golf...isn't there a medical exemption status however if a guy has a major injury and can't play for an extended period losing his expemtion isn't he given a period where he is allowed to play for a period of time where he otherwise wouldnt' be exempt...for example he is exempt in 2007 but can't play for most of the season due to his injury and would normally lose his exemption in 2008 for lack of winnings, but wouldn't he be allowed to play for a period of time in 2008 when his injury was cured to try to earn some money??

Yes,and like I said,maybe a 50/50 thing for other sports would be a lot better than the players simply taking 15 mil/yr from fans(and not producing due to being hurt.)They give up half their salary when hurt(fans pay them half salary for doing nothing.)That is a lot more reasonable than getting paid full salary ,and not producing anything.As far as this other issue goes(death in the family) I don't know why people think fans should have to pay this guy 25k.They already are going without his services.That's already a sacrifice they are making in order for the guy to do what he needs to do.It is not like they are firing him for not showing up for work.He was healthy,and didn't participate.So,why does he get paid?In the end,somebody is paying him 25k without him giving them anything(that's what you think is correct.)So,keep selling.I ain't buying it.All pro athletes should be paid on performance(actually being present, and willing to play, is a nice minimum.)The problem is you don't give respect for the fact they went without his services(something they had counted on.)

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

The one year he actually played for Minnesota, he threw 5 or 6 TD passed.

When Daunte got hurt, he started two games and threw for 7 TD's. Both in winning efforts. He looked brilliant.

Originally Posted by SentToStud

No. Jeff George was not better than Culpepper. George had a few good years but if you lined up his best 5 years vs Culpeppers, it's not even close, even leaving out the 2,000+ yards rushing to George's near none.

George played part of one season for the Vikes - made the Pro Bowl - and was second only to Kurt Warner in adjusted yards per pass.

Another guy who played great for the Vikes and didn't get a chance was Tood Bouman. He came in against the Steelers defense and went 11-for-15 had exactly 200 passing yards and 2 TD's vs 1 INT. The next week, he went 21-for-31 for 348 yards and 4 TD's and was named the NFL offensive player of the week. And back to the bench he went.

Randall Cunningham in '98 was the NFL MVP and threw more TD passes that season than he did in his previous five years in the league combined.

Not saying the Culpepper's numbers in Minny are less than Frerottes, Georges, Boumans, or Cunningham's .... but none of those guys got hyped to the moon. And unlike those guys, DC had an annoying knack of making big mistakes at key points in games. Moss moved all of those guys up.

Brady's numbers have obviously hiked this year - through nine games his completion percentage is 73.2% (9.5% higher than his previous best) his 33 TD passes through just nine games are 5 TD's higher than his previous career top of 28 in a 16 week season.

Stallworth has never had a 1K yard season in six years in the leauge and Welker had only 1 career TD catch coming into this year. But both are young guys - and are probably more talented than any recievers Brady has had except for Deion Branch and Troy Brown. But still, Brady is looking like another Moss moveup.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Stallworth has never had a 1K yard season in six years in the leauge and Welker had only 1 career TD catch coming into this year. But both are young guys - and are probably more talented than any recievers Brady has had except for Deion Branch and Troy Brown. But still, Brady is looking like another Moss moveup.

This little sun of a gun is quick as lightning.
Everyone is saying he is benefitting from Moss
but he is a return man also. He has extraordinarily
quick feet. He is not the type of guy that is a track
star, he can just get himself in the open in a millisecond.

I give credit to Bcheck for using him properly.

[timmgirvan]

Too bad they have that 'goldmine' in Peterson!

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by pgardn

This little sun of a gun is quick as lightning.
Everyone is saying he is benefitting from Moss
but he is a return man also. He has extraordinarily
quick feet. He is not the type of guy that is a track
star, he can just get himself in the open in a millisecond.

I give credit to Bcheck for using him properly.

i give credit to the entire ne organization for recognizing talent.

miami is in their divison. how they let this guy go to a division foe speaks volumes of the problems miami has.

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by ninetoone

Jeff George, million dollar arm w/a nickel brain...

For the Colts fans.....
(Chorus)
Bye Bye Jeff
Bye Bye Horse's a$$
Hello Colts success
We're glad you said goodbye-i
we don't have to hear you cry-i

You're such a baby
You always whine
You're on vacation
Come playoff time

And here's the reason
That we're so glad
You're in Atlanta
Now they will be bad

(Chorus)

Through Interceptions
The fans will cuss
Now when we play you
You'll throw to us

Like Jerry Glanville
You'll soon need work
The Colts won't miss you
You Falcon jerk.

(Chorus)

Ok so its out of date.