Spill @ Hollywood

[GPK]

Race 6

Looked like Jara and Valdivia....

[letswastemoney]

Gruesome replay to watch.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

The head-on shot during the stops inquiry as the second horse goes down.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

I knew they would leave him up.They want that boy riding out here.If your jock is on that horse it's coming down.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I knew they would leave him up.They want that boy riding out here.If your jock is on that horse it's coming down.

I had a win bet on Gomez and I can't beleive they didn't take him down.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

I had a win bet on Gomez and I can't beleive they didn't take him down.

I had the 6,and I knew I wasn't gunna get it.That guy would really have to do something horrible to get taken down out here right now.Just the way it is.If Espinoza did that,he would be DQ'D IN A HEARTBEAT.

[2Hot4TV]

I would bet the Stewards and Ron Anderson were looking at the replays together. Wonder what they were talking about?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

I would bet the Stewards and Ron Anderson were looking at the replays together. Wonder what they were talking about?

G.G. always has a story.Just like Bailey.They come up with something,and sell it intellectually well.Stewards want to believe it to begin with. A lot of the other jocks get too loud cuz they are struggling to get the words to match their thoughts(like Espinoza....that guy loses a ton of those inquiries.) G.G.'S horse wasn't straight.2 horses went down.They can blame it on the guy who went down to the dirt,but that horse wasn't straight.They let it go.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

I've watched the head-on 10 times,and this doesn't happen if Gomez doesn't come over on that horse.GO-GO thought this horse was gonna go outside,but the horse didn't.He is still right there,and Gomez comes over in front of him.That's simply a mistake by Gomez.He made an assumption.This horse is right there still in his spot,and he comes over on him,and the horse shys from him coming over on him.Garrett told them what? He thought the horse moved outside? The horse is in the spot.No matter what G.G. TOLD THEM,THIS HORSE IS IN THE SPOT,AND GO GO COMES over.He went out a lil,but he has stayed in that spot,and is straight.The winner comes over,and takes his path,because the rider made an error in thinking that horse was going outside.He is in a spot(running straight) and the winner comes right over and causes all that.I can't believe whatever load he fed them.It all took place very quickly,but he is to blame.He assumed incorrectly(like happens a lot)and they just let him off.He just wanted that spot,but it wasn't open.He thought it was gunna go differently.Should have come right down like anybody else who isn't clear when they move over.They going out of their way to bail him out of that.Wow,you could blame the trade center disaster on JARA,and people would believe it.

[Alan07]

Vacation coming?

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I've watched the head-on 10 times,and this doesn't happen if Gomez doesn't come over on that horse.GO-GO thought this horse was gonna go outside,but the horse didn't.He is still right there,and Gomez comes over in front of him.That's simply a mistake by Gomez.He made an assumption.This horse is right there still in his spot,and he comes over on him,and the horse shys from him coming over on him.Garrett told them what? He thought the horse moved outside? The horse is in the spot.No matter what G.G. TOLD THEM,THIS HORSE IS IN THE SPOT,AND GO GO COMES over.He went out a lil,but he has stayed in that spot,and is straight.The winner comes over,and takes his path,because the rider made an error in thinking that horse was going outside.He is in a spot(running straight) and the winner comes right over and causes all that.I can't believe whatever load he fed them.It all took place very quickly,but he is to blame.He assumed incorrectly(like happens a lot)and they just let him off.He just wanted that spot,but it wasn't open.He thought it was gunna go differently.Should have come right down like anybody else who isn't clear when they move over.They going out of their way to bail him out of that.Wow,you could blame the trade center disaster on JARA,and people would believe it.

no doubt, most other jockeys would have come down.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Alan07

Vacation coming?

No,they don't overlook horses going down(just because they weren't cost a placing.) They bought his bullshit.Jara's horse was a lil crazy,but the spill took place because Gomez took a horse's path.He guessed what this horse was gunna do.He was wrong.He didn't go outside.His path is taken,and he shys from it.I know what G.G. was thinking was gunna happen,but the horse is not outside when he comes over.If that was true,then the horse wouldn't have had to move outside and foul other horses.Fact is this horse beat Gomez to this spot,and HE TAKES THE PATH ANYWAYS.They just got it wrong.That's what happens with leading riders etc.Stewards just seem to buy their story.I don't get it,because the horse has beaten Gomez to this spot.He is saying the horse went outside,but the horse only went outside for an instant,and he is back in his spot when Gomez comes over.The thing I know is that every other jock (but this one ) would have been taken down.He gave them the story about the horse going outside,but it;'s crap.The horse is right beside him when he comes over.They have given him the right to come over on that horse.I don't think we will ever know why.The horse is not outside when Gomez comes over(he was guessing the horse would go outside.) It's a careless thing guys do when they badly want a spot.Obviously not his spot to take.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

no doubt, most other jockeys would have come down.

That sucks if it really is not about what happened but who did it...I had the 2 in that race from Miller and thought I was home free until it looked like someone hit the off switch after the spill.....It certainly did look like the 11 was guilty of a felony in the lane there.....even the 6/2 would have been nice for me oh well sometimes you just take it in the teeth....Maybe I'll call Maggie and see if she can make it right!!!

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by docicu3

That sucks if it really is not about what happened but who did it...I had the 2 in that race from Miller and thought I was home free until it looked like someone hit the off switch after the spill.....It certainly did look like the 11 was guilty of a felony in the lane there.....even the 6/2 would have been nice for me oh well sometimes you just take it in the teeth....Maybe I'll call Maggie and see if she can make it right!!!

i had the six, so my only chance was if the 11 comes down, but i didn't hold out much hope for that. imagine if the riders were reversed, and it was Jara moving out on Gomez and he goes down trying to avoid Jara. does anyone really think Jara would stay up? lol
i also liked the 2 a lot but swtched to the 6 at the last moment. didn't matter in the end.

[hockey2315]

I'm not a Gomez fan and I had no interest in the race but you guys need to re-watch the head on. . . The horse Gomez collided with was running very erratically in the stretch and took a step outside right before GG swung wide, then came back inside and the two met in the middle. . . I wouldn't really put the blame on either rider. . . It was a proper no-call because Gomez's horse was much the best. . . Breakdowns are an unfortunate part of the game and nobody likes to see them but to blame Gomez for that is unreasonable. . .

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I'm not a Gomez fan and I had no interest in the race but you guys need to re-watch the head on. . . The horse Gomez collided with was running very erratically in the stretch and took a step outside right before GG swung wide, then came back inside and the two met in the middle. . . I wouldn't really put the blame on either rider. . . It was a proper no-call because Gomez's horse was much the best. . . Breakdowns are an unfortunate part of the game and nobody likes to see them but to blame Gomez for that is unreasonable. . .

I watched the head on several times, and I thought that Gomez went for a seam that wasn't completely there. He caused the other horse to lug out and then clip heels. I think it was a reckless move and any other jock in the colony (with exception to maybe Nakatani) would have been taken down and given days.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I'm not a Gomez fan and I had no interest in the race but you guys need to re-watch the head on. . . The horse Gomez collided with was running very erratically in the stretch and took a step outside right before GG swung wide, then came back inside and the two met in the middle. . . I wouldn't really put the blame on either rider. . . It was a proper no-call because Gomez's horse was much the best. . . Breakdowns are an unfortunate part of the game and nobody likes to see them but to blame Gomez for that is unreasonable. . .

No,he beat him back to the lane.It's not 50/50....Sorry,but Jara's horse isn't doing anything wrong when Gomez comes over.He is back in his lane.Gomez was wanting his lane.So,his story is gunna be that the horse went outside,but the fact is that he is back in that lane when he comes over.It's not 50/50.Gomez is simply wrong this time.He guessed that he could take that spot,but he was beaten to the spot.All video will show he was beaten to this spot,and takes it anyways.Granted,it happened quickly,and it's an accident,but it wasn't Garrett's spot to take.It was close,but the facts are this horse had beaten him to this spot.GO GO assumed it was open.It wasn't.The horse simply beat him to the spot.It's on him.Not Jara.Jara didn't push his horse into GO GO'S.GO GO PUSHED HIS OVER IN FRONT OF JARA'S.
This was a situation of the leading jockey assuming what the least popular jock at the meet was gunna do.Then he tried to blame it on that unpopular jock,but G comes over on him.He is in a lane when it's taken by Garrett.It's really not a close call.It's a foul caused by an assumption.It's a bit of over-aggressive risk taking,and it's the reason those horses went down.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I'm not a Gomez fan and I had no interest in the race but you guys need to re-watch the head on. . . The horse Gomez collided with was running very erratically in the stretch and took a step outside right before GG swung wide, then came back inside and the two met in the middle. . . I wouldn't really put the blame on either rider. . . It was a proper no-call because Gomez's horse was much the best. . . Breakdowns are an unfortunate part of the game and nobody likes to see them but to blame Gomez for that is unreasonable. . .

They can't ignore a foul that causes horses to go down.Well,lol,Until today..LOL....You're right they did ignore a foul that led to 2 horses going down.It's a poor idea.Now when guys do borderline cutoffs they can throw this up into the stewards faces,because this horse wouldn't have caused the horses to go down....unless Gomez takes his path.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I'm not a Gomez fan and I had no interest in the race but you guys need to re-watch the head on. . . The horse Gomez collided with was running very erratically in the stretch and took a step outside right before GG swung wide, then came back inside and the two met in the middle. . . I wouldn't really put the blame on either rider. . . It was a proper no-call because Gomez's horse was much the best. . . Breakdowns are an unfortunate part of the game and nobody likes to see them but to blame Gomez for that is unreasonable. . .

the thing is it wasn't a breakdown, the horse clipped heels and went down only because of the quick way that Gomez came over. to my eye it was his agressive riding that triggered it. if you interfere with others i don't think it's supposed to matter one bit if the horse is much the best. obviously the stewards saw it differently but I think scuds point is to raise the question whether they would have made the same call if it wasn't Gomez. Lets say it was Kyla Stra and it was Gomez who went down. would they have still let the finish order stand? I think its highly unlikely. it does seem to matter who the characters are.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

No,he beat him back to the lane.It's not 50/50....Sorry,but Jara's horse isn't doing anything wrong when Gomez comes over.He is back in his lane.Gomez was wanting his lane.So,his story is gunna be that the horse went outside,but the fact is that he is back in that lane when he comes over.It's not 50/50.Gomez is simply wrong this time.He guessed that he could take that spot,but he was beaten to the spot.All video will show he was beaten to this spot,and takes it anyways.Granted,it happened quickly,and it's an accident,but it wasn't Garrett's spot to take.It was close,but the facts are this horse had beaten him to this spot.GO GO assumed it was open.It wasn't.The horse simply beat him to the spot.It's on him.Not Jara.Jara didn't push his horse into GO GO'S.GO GO PUSHED HIS OVER IN FRONT OF JARA'S.
This was a situation of the leading jockey assuming what the least popular jock at the meet was gunna do.Then he tried to blame it on that unpopular jock,but G comes over on him.He is in a lane when it's taken by Garrett.It's really not a close call.It's a foul caused by an assumption.It's a bit of over-aggressive risk taking,and it's the reason those horses went down.

I'm not blaming Jara. . . His mount was zig-zagging all over the place while he was trying to switch leads (i think). . . He didn't really have much control over his horse which isn't really his fault because the horse was so green. . . But when a horse is running erratically like that I think it's hard to blame another jock if he runs in to him. . . If Gomez just swings wide and knocks another horse over who's travelling completely straight in his lane that's one thing, but he was trying to predict what an unruly animal was going to do at 30 mph and guessed wrong. . . but what was he supposed to do? He had horse and a chance to win so he went for what looked like an open seam. He wasn't pulling a Coa or anything. . . Plus, because of the way Jara's horse was running you could argue that he wasn't running in an established lane. . . Also, from what I could see, Jara's mount may have gotten spooked a bit by the contact and overreacted a little bit. . . A more experienced runner may not have gone down in that situation but you never know. . . Not that that really matters now- just an observation. . .