Worse KY Derby winner...

[whodey17]

Since 1984, who has been the worse Ky Derby winner? For me it is Giacomo with Grindstone coming in a close 2nd.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Sea Hero in a romp.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Sea Hero in a romp.

One of Steve's and my wife's favorite

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Sea Hero in a romp.

Worse than Giacomo?

You have left the building dude.

I realize you were still in diapers when Sea Hero won, but he did win the Champagne as a 2YO and the Travers as a 3YO.

Was he a monster? No. But he did win some decent races besides the Derby.

[Holland Hacker]

I'm gonna have to go with Lil E. Tee. in 1992.

I agree with Andy that Sea Hero was a solid performer and I'm reminded of that every time I visit the Paddock a Saratoga.

[freddymo]

DrugS joke o mo is barely a grade 2 beast. Sea Hero was at least regally bred...check the DRF Travers day..It's right there in black and white

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Worse than Giacomo?

You have left the building dude.

I realize you were still in diapers when Sea Hero won, but he did win the Champagne as a 2YO and the Travers as a 3YO.

Was he a monster? No. But he did win some decent races besides the Derby.

First of all, I still am in diapers.

Second of all, I followed national racing closely in '93 as we got feeds from all major tracks on cable here, and Sea Hero was an inconsistant dog biscuit. He was 0-for-11 with just ONE 2nd place finish on fast tracks besides his heroic Derby and Travers eyesore wins.

Third of all, your boy who started this thread asked for the worst Derby winner since '84 - not the least accomplished. So Sea Hero's wins in the Champagne over the oh so fabulous stayer Secret Odds and his win in the Travers over the 4-for-35 lifetime Kissin Kris don't translate to performance points like they do to acomplishment points.

Fourth of all, I bet on Giacomo in the Derby and even relentlessly touted him to the message board world before the race. Which means I had to (no doubt very wrongly) think he had some ability to go along with the dream race shape he was going to get in the race.

Fifth of all, Giacomo's mastery of Sun King - a dominant 3-for-3 in head-to-head matchups - really underlines the point that......nevermind - Sun King blows. Bad example.

Giacomo might be the second worst Derby winner since '84...but, lets not overlook all of his fine qualities. He has an Italian name, he won me money, and he was 4th beaten just four lengths to Invasor, Bernardini, and Premium Tap in the final start of his career. Sea Hero finished his career as a 4yo with seven straight losses - and went off at 7/2 or less in each and every one of those starts.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Holland Hacker

I'm gonna have to go with Lil E. Tee. in 1992.

Lil E. Tee would have murdered both Sea Hero and my beloved Giacomo.

[Danzig]

lil e tee really wasn't that bad a horse. gets a lot of undeserved grief.

[packerbacker7964]

I'll go with Go For Gin as mine.

[Danzig]

i can see arguments for go for gin.
but then, i think war emblem was pretty bad. if that horse didn't get things completely his way, he quit. first or nowhere.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i can see arguments for go for gin.
but then, i think war emblem was pretty bad. if that horse didn't get things completely his way, he quit. first or nowhere.

Doesn't make him bad. Just really dumb and immature.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Doesn't make him bad. Just really dumb and immature.

not sure what to make of him. the way he raced, and then how things have gone for him since.
is he a nutcase?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

This is really a two horse race between Giacomo and Sea Hero - all other answers are really bad answers.

[KirisClown]

Originally Posted by whodey17

Since 1984, who has been the worse Ky Derby winner? For me it is Giacomo with Grindstone coming in a close 2nd.

I don't think we saw nearly enough of Grindstone to say he was one of the worst... he never ran a poor race.

[Lava]

Smarty Jones j/k Giacomo Alex should have won JR blew it

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Danzig

not sure what to make of him. the way he raced, and then how things have gone for him since.
is he a nutcase?

huh.......

he banged his head in the belmont...and valponi walked by the turds

[3kings]

I'll have to go with Giacomo as the worst, he was stuck with Mike Smith. At least Sea Hero was able to entice Jerry Bailey to ride.

[philcski]

Giacomo in a landslide. Only Derby I've attended live. Been to the Oaks 6 times, that works better for me.

Was thinking about it Sunday @ CD, it's almost harder to believe Closing Argument was about 3 strides from the wire from winning it after pressing that ridiculous pace the whole way around. He ran some race that day, literally out of nowhere (and never again.)

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Some of you guys really forget about how downright awful Sea Hero was when he wasn't on - which was most of the time.

And when he did jump up and run a good race - it wasn't very good. Both he and Giacomo had lifetime top Beyers of 109.

Giacomo's race in the Goodwood prior to his 4th by 4 to the big three in the BC Classic was a very sneaky good race. Lava Man beat him by only three lengths - despite taking advantage of a slow pace on a very inside-speed biased track. He ran a 104 Beyer with every possible thing against him that day...in a way a better race than his 4th in the Classic next out.