HOF First Time Nominees...cough, cough

GBBob · #1 11-26-2007, 04:14 PM

Well...here are some of the Boys of Summer up for nomination for the first time for Cooperstown. This list is cringe-worthy..

Brady Anderson, Rod Beck, Shawon Dunston, Chuck Finley, Travis Fryman, Chuck Knoblauch, Robb Nenn, Jose Rijo, Todd Stottlemeyer ...(Todd Stottlemeyer??..Did his Dad donate money for a new wing to the library?)

Hoping Goose and Rice get in...McGuire also up again

SniperSB23 · #2 11-26-2007, 04:16 PM

I was looking this over and it is absolutely terrible. Baseball-reference has a HOF monitor statistic where you are supposed to be over 100 to even be considerd. All of the following are under 100:

•*Robb Nen 92
•*Tim Raines 90
•*Harold Baines 66.5
•*Chuck Knoblauch 66.5
•*Rod Beck 63
•*Chuck Finley 53.5
•*David Justice 43.5
•*Brady Anderson 38
•*Travis Fryman 36
•*Jose Rijo 28
•*Todd Stottlemyre 15
•*Shawon Dunston 14

I'd vote for McGwire, Rice, Lee Smith, and possibly Gossage. No one else should even crack 30%.

GBBob · #3 11-26-2007, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I was looking this over and it is absolutely terrible. Baseball-reference has a HOF monitor statistic where you are supposed to be over 100 to even be considerd. All of the following are under 100:

•*Robb Nen 92
•*Tim Raines 90
•*Harold Baines 66.5
•*Chuck Knoblauch 66.5
•*Rod Beck 63
•*Chuck Finley 53.5
•*David Justice 43.5
•*Brady Anderson 38
•*Travis Fryman 36
•*Jose Rijo 28
•*Todd Stottlemyre 15
•*Shawon Dunston 14

I'd vote for McGwire, Rice, Lee Smith, and possibly Gossage. No one else should even crack 30%.

Agreed on Lee Smith as well.

How do they come up with these "nominees"?...It seems like getting a star on the walk of fame in Hollywood...you can just buy one.

Hell..based on my High School baseball stats, I'd probably fall between Rijo and Stottlemeyer...Better figure out who my presenter is

ddthetide · #4 11-26-2007, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I was looking this over and it is absolutely terrible. Baseball-reference has a HOF monitor statistic where you are supposed to be over 100 to even be considerd. All of the following are under 100:

•*Robb Nen 92
•*Tim Raines 90
•*Harold Baines 66.5
•*Chuck Knoblauch 66.5
•*Rod Beck 63
•*Chuck Finley 53.5
•*David Justice 43.5
•*Brady Anderson 38
•*Travis Fryman 36
•*Jose Rijo 28
•*Todd Stottlemyre 15
•*Shawon Dunston 14

I'd vote for McGwire, Rice, Lee Smith, and possibly Gossage. No one else should even crack 30%.

rice won't get in because he didn't get along with the press especially in boston. if smith gets in, gossage has to get in. i'm on the fence about big mac.

3kings · #5 11-26-2007, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob

Agreed on Lee Smith as well.

How do they come up with these "nominees"?...It seems like getting a star on the walk of fame in Hollywood...you can just buy one.

Hell..based on my High School baseball stats, I'd probably fall between Rijo and Stottlemeyer...Better figure out who my presenter is

There is a list of criteria for automatic nomination. I believe one of the criteria is that you are a 2 or 3 time all-star. So there are a lot of players nominated that were not even great players, just good players on crappy teams that had to have a representative.

Cannon Shell · #6 11-26-2007, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ddthetide

rice won't get in because he didn't get along with the press especially in boston. if smith gets in, gossage has to get in. i'm on the fence about big mac.

I think that Rice doesn't get in becuase his stats are just below what it takes as far as "magic" numbers .300 avg 400 HRs 1500 RBI's 3000 hits etc. Personally I believe he should be in. His numbers are eerily similar to Orlando Cepeda's.

Gossage should be in. He was the dominant relief pitcher of his time. He played a long time, played well in the post season. If Sutter is in then Gossage should be. I suppose Lee Smith has a case too but while he was very consistent he was never really dominant like Gossage, Sutter, and Eckersley. I think Raines should be looked at also. He was one of the top 5 players in the NL during the 80's into the 90's. His drug issues wont help as well as the fact he played in Montreal where no one saw him play.

Cannon Shell · #7 11-26-2007, 09:23 PM

Rice's numbers

2089 games
1249 runs
2452 hits
382 HRs
1451 RBI's
670 BB's
1423 K's
.298 avg
.352 OBP
.502 SLG
1 MVP
2nd in ROY
8 time All Star

Cepeda
2124 games
1131 runs
2351 hits
379 HR's
1365 RBI's
588 BB
1169 K's
.297 avg
.350 OBP
.499 SLG
1 MVP
1 ROY
7 time All Star

SCUDSBROTHER · #8 11-26-2007, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 3kings

There is a list of criteria for automatic nomination. I believe one of the criteria is that you are a 2 or 3 time all-star. So there are a lot of players nominated that were not even great players, just good players on crappy teams that had to have a representative.

How about being NL-MVP IN '74,AND BEING THE STARTING 1ST BASEMAN 9 F'N TIMES IN THE ALLSTAR GAME?
1974 (1B)
1975 (1B)
1976 (1B)
1977 (1B)
1978 (1B)
1979 (1B)
1980 (1B)
1981 *
1984 (1B)
1985 (1B)

* Played,but didn't start.

Isn't this what Sandberg did too?(NL-MVP IN '84 AND 9 times started in the ALLSTAR GAME.)F'n Tony Perez started in the ALLSTAR GAME how many times?

Cannon Shell · #9 11-26-2007, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

How about being NL-MVP IN '74,AND BEING THE STARTING 1ST BASEMAN 9 F'N TIMES IN THE ALLSTAR GAME?
1974 (1B)
1975 (1B)
1976 (1B)
1977 (1B)
1978 (1B)
1979 (1B)
1980 (1B)
1981 *
1984 (1B)
1985 (1B)

* Played,but didn't start.

Isn't this what Sandberg did too?(NL-MVP IN '84 AND 9 times started in the ALLSTAR GAME.)F'n Tony Perez started in the ALLSTAR GAME how many times?

Starting in the all star game is determined by fans popularity not achievement. He simply does not have the numbers...do we really have to go through this again?

SCUDSBROTHER · #10 11-26-2007, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Starting in the all star game is determined by fans popularity not achievement. He simply does not have the numbers...do we really have to go through this again?

LETS DO IT.......YOU'RE GUNNA BE WRONG EACH TIME(BECAUSE YOU GO BY LENGTH OF CAREER,AND GATHERING UP A LOT OF SOMETHING OVER TIME........LIKE HE DID WITH ALLSTAR APPEARANCES....SO TO NEGATE THAT YOU USE THE FANS=****.)

Cannon Shell · #11 11-26-2007, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

LETS DO IT.......YOU'RE GUNNA BE WRONG EACH TIME(BECAUSE YOU GO BY LENGTH OF CAREER,AND GATHERING UP A LOT OF SOMETHING OVER TIME........LIKE HE DID WITH ALLSTAR APPEARANCES....SO TO NEGATE THAT YOU USE THE FANS=****.)

Ok....only because the football game is going to end scoreless

SCUDSBROTHER · #12 11-26-2007, 11:08 PM

Don't tell me his stuff wasn't good enough.He has a 130.5 HOF MONITOR RATING(130 is suppose to be a virtual lock,and so it's bullshit to keep saying he wasn't good enough.You fkrs that want people to play average for a long time,(and pad #'s) are just wrong.If your the best player in a league for a year..then probably you should go in.That(to me) is more important than playing 20 years,and getting a lot of whateva.YOU GUNNA SAY THE WRITERS WERE ON DOPE IN '74? BEST PLAYER IN LEAGUE,BUT OH NO,HE WAS NEVA GOOD ENOUGH..WAS HE? NOT ACCORDING TO NOT- IT- ALL CHUCK.Lackey was puke in the post.Like I said he'd be.You were wrong then,and you are wrong now.He is good enough.His personal life is keeping him out.

SCUDSBROTHER · #13 11-26-2007, 11:12 PM

How many times (out of 9) were the fans wrong? Don't just say they are wrong.Say they are wrong because so n' so should've started at 1st base.

Cannon Shell · #14 11-26-2007, 11:34 PM

Garveys numbers

2332 games
1143 runs
2599 hits
272 HR's
1308 RBI
479 BB
1003 K
.294 Avg
.329 OBP
.446 Slg

1 MVP
9 All Star
4 Gold Gloves

hit well in postseason .338 11 31 in 55 games

But his average season of .294 19HRS 91RBIS 79 RUNS .329OBP .446SLG
and the fact he never led the league in any catagory except hits 2 times and Double Plays 2 times simply is not good enough to get him in as a 1st baseman. He is ranked behind non hall of famers Rusty Staub, Al Oliver and Bill Buckner in both HR, hits , OBP and Slg %. He has lessor numbers than Will Clark. He did a lot of nice things and was a very good player but not really a Hall of Famer.

Cannon Shell · #15 11-26-2007, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Don't tell me his stuff wasn't good enough.He has a 130.5 HOF MONITOR RATING(130 is suppose to be a virtual lock,and so it's bullshit to keep saying he wasn't good enough.You fkrs that want people to play average for a long time,(and pad #'s) are just wrong.If your the best player in a league for a year..then probably you should go in.That(to me) is more important than playing 20 years,and getting a lot of whateva.YOU GUNNA SAY THE WRITERS WERE ON DOPE IN '74? BEST PLAYER IN LEAGUE,BUT OH NO,HE WAS NEVA GOOD ENOUGH..WAS HE? NOT ACCORDING TO NOT- IT- ALL CHUCK.Lackey was puke in the post.Like I said he'd be.You were wrong then,and you are wrong now.He is good enough.His personal life is keeping him out.

Zolio Versailles should be in according to that logic. Dale Murphy has 2 MVP's and he isn't in nor should he be. And Garvey did stay around past his prime and did pad the stats just to get him where they are.

And I dont have a HOF vote but those that do never supported Garvey even a little bit.

SCUDSBROTHER · #16 11-27-2007, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Zolio Versailles should be in according to that logic. Dale Murphy has 2 MVP's and he isn't in nor should he be. And Garvey did stay around past his prime and did pad the stats just to get him where they are.

And I dont have a HOF vote but those that do never supported Garvey even a little bit.

We disagree about what should get in the HOF.You like quantity over quality.Hence, the low # of Grade One Wins........Dale Murphy was voted to be the best player in the league...the champion player ..above all others...2 times..If you do that, you should get in automatically.My God lets award some champions.Somebody who was best at something.

SCUDSBROTHER · #17 11-27-2007, 12:40 AM

Buckner HOF Monitor: Batting - 69.5 (Likely HOFer > 100)

Shows how off you are.Garvey has a 130.5 rating.How dare you mention Garvey and Buckner together.That is low.Staub is even ranked lower than Buckner 59.0 (Likely HOFer > 100.)These guys played very average for a long time,and you even mention them as better than Garvey at anything? Just because they played longer? You're a whack when it comes to HOF. That's not an opinion.That's a fact.You just compared a guy with a 130.5 to guys with less than 70.They say 130 is a virtual cinch to get in.Obviously it isn't,but a 130.5 is far from not being good enough(they just said it should be easily good enough..not borderline.)

SCUDSBROTHER · #18 11-27-2007, 12:57 AM

Andre Dawson has a 118 rating....Garvey a higher ranking of 130.5....They both are league MVP WINNERS.Both should go in,but only the one with the lesser rating is said to deserve it.

SCUDSBROTHER · #19 11-27-2007, 01:00 AM

Don Mattingly has a ranking of 133.5...Garvey a 130.5....This shows just how f'n far off you are.You mention him with Staub n' Buckner.....They mention him between Dawson and Mattingly.You're bitter they came back on you in '81 and beat ya in your own house.Down 2 games to nothing,Fernando beat your Righetti.Came back all the way on you.That's why ya hate Garvey.Look at who you compare him to,and who others compare him to.

SCUDSBROTHER · #20 11-27-2007, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Garveys numbers

2332 games
1143 runs
2599 hits
272 HR's
1308 RBI
479 BB
1003 K
.294 Avg
.329 OBP
.446 Slg

1 MVP
9 All Star
4 Gold Gloves

hit well in postseason .338 11 31 in 55 games

But his average season of .294 19HRS 91RBIS 79 RUNS .329OBP .446SLG
and the fact he never led the league in any catagory except hits 2 times and Double Plays 2 times simply is not good enough to get him in as a 1st baseman. He is ranked behind non hall of famers Rusty Staub, Al Oliver and Bill Buckner in both HR, hits , OBP and Slg %. He has lessor numbers than Will Clark. He did a lot of nice things and was a very good player but not really a Hall of Famer.

Awards
1974-ML-AS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"
1974-NL-MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"
1978-ML-AS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"
1978-NLCS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"
1981-ML-Roberto Clemente Award
1984-ML-Lou Gehrig Memorial Award
1984-NLCS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"

Let me explain to the dense... They are saying he was the best player in the league in'74.Then they're trying to tell you he was responsible for putting his team in the World Series in 78,and 84.Seems the individual was a lil more clutch a player than one,Chuck S is able to admit.He gives a post season batting %.Others were willing to say he was the most responsible(in both '78 and '84) for his team getting to the world series.