Should Have

[King Glorious]

I'm sure this has been gone over before but just watching a few races on Youtube reminded me of something; Dinard would have been the 1991 Kentucky Derby winner had he not been injured and pulled from the race. This got me to wondering which other horses should have made the list of Derby winners but didn't make the race. Who are the others that people think would have won it had they made it. I don't want horses that made it and had bad luck and lost.

Dinard
Event of the Year
King Glorious
Java Gold
Dehere

[blackthroatedwind]

Dehere would have had trouble running down the loose speed. His only decent effort going two turns was in the Fountain of Youth which was orchestrated by a crazy speed duel involving Holy Bull ( who actually did flip his palate ) and, I think, Ride the Rails. He may well have been essentially a closing sprinter.

As for Java Gold, I'm a huge fan, but it's not as though Alysheba and Bet Twice were slouches. While he obviously hammered them in the Travers, the track was a quagmire that day, and it's fair to say they didn't run their races. Considering the kind of horse Alysheba proved to be it's a little unfair to just assume Java Gold was better.

The horse that sticks out IMO is AP Indy who was scratched with a foot problem very close to the race.

[miraja2]

King Glorious was a 3yo in 1989 and could not have beaten Sunday Silence going 10f if Sunday Silence had all 4 legs tied together and was made to run backwards.

[otisotisotis]

don't remember the year, but i thought Buddha had an outstanding chance.

[miraja2]

Stuff like this is impossible to know for sure but I would go with Gilded Time in 1993. The undefeated 2yo champ with a dam-side pedigree that suggested he might like 10f was injured while preparing for his 3yo campaign in SoCal.
I don't think he was the second coming of Affirmed or anything, but neither was that year's winner, Sea Hero.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Dehere would have had trouble running down the loose speed. His only decent effort going two turns was in the Fountain of Youth which was orchestrated by a crazy speed duel involving Holy Bull ( who actually did flip his palate ) and, I think, Ride the Rails. He may well have been essentially a closing sprinter.

As for Java Gold, I'm a huge fan, but it's not as though Alysheba and Bet Twice were slouches. While he obviously hammered them in the Travers, the track was a quagmire that day, and it's fair to say they didn't run their races. Considering the kind of horse Alysheba proved to be it's a little unfair to just assume Java Gold was better.

The horse that sticks out IMO is AP Indy who was scratched with a foot problem very close to the race.

As much as I believe JG was the best of that group, that year would have been the hardest year to win it because it was the deepest group of 3yos I've ever seen. Same goes with KG. I thought he was the best one but it's hard to put him over EG and Sunday Silence at 10f.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by miraja2

King Glorious was a 3yo in 1989 and could not have beaten Sunday Silence going 10f if Sunday Silence had all 4 legs tied together and was made to run backwards.

I don't know about that. In the same way BTW is saying that Dehere might have had trouble running down the lone speed in 1993, Sunday Silence and EG might have had trouble running down the lone speed of King Glorious in 1989. No doubt that at 10f, it would have taken a huge effort on KG's part but with him having shown he could handle an off track in the Hollywood Futurity, I would have liked my chances going in if I were Hollendorfer and McCarron. Lone speed is a strong equalizer. Winning Colors, War Emblem, Go for Gin were all able to win it when most people expected they wouldn't last. Hard Spun, Lion Heart, Indian Charlie and Peace Rules didn't win but hung in a lot longer than expected.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I'm sure this has been gone over before but just watching a few races on Youtube reminded me of something; Dinard would have been the 1991 Kentucky Derby winner had he not been injured and pulled from the race. This got me to wondering which other horses should have made the list of Derby winners but didn't make the race. Who are the others that people think would have won it had they made it. I don't want horses that made it and had bad luck and lost.

Dinard
Event of the Year
King Glorious
Java Gold
Dehere

Red Bullet.

[Indian Charlie]

ap indy and dinard are no brainers in my estimation.

Grand canyon.

swear, a truly magnificent 2yo that died before turning 3. he was in the snow chief crop i believe.

perhaps red ransom as a real longshot here.
saratoga six too

i vehemently disagree with event of the year

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

ap indy and dinard are no brainers in my estimation.

Grand canyon.

swear, a truly magnificent 2yo that died before turning 3. he was in the snow chief crop i believe.

perhaps red ransom as a real longshot here.
saratoga six too

i vehemently disagree with event of the year

Grand Canyon would have been a 3yo in 1990 along with Unbridled and Summer Squall.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Red Bullet.

thank you

[Antitrust32]

i think unbridled's song would have won if he did not have a quarter crack, bar shoe's and the 20th gate position.

i mean grindstone and cavonieer, come on!

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

IRGUN in 1994

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

i think unbridled's song would have won if he did not have a quarter crack, bar shoe's and the 20th gate position.

i mean grindstone and cavonieer, come on!

Unbridled's Song ran in the race. He doesn't count.

[Antitrust32]

how about rags to riches.. she could have won.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

how about rags to riches.. she could have won.

But she wouldn't have.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

how about rags to riches.. she could have won.

Highly unlikely in my opinion.

[KirisClown]

Dehere was a VERY nice horse.. but he would have had no shot whatsoever at 10F

Here's that IDEAL set up he had in the Fountain of Youth... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoDOQ-pdO0A

[smuthg]

Rockport Harbor... Talk about bad luck.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by smuthg

Rockport Harbor... Talk about bad luck.

Talk about overrated.