Despite Eli.

[MaTH716]

Big Blue just made it back to the playoffs, despite the efforts of Eli Manning. He was absolutley God-Awful. I have been one of his biggest supporters, so far. But my faith is wavering after todays game. He looked like a Dave Brown clone today. But, you have to give the rest of the team a lot of credit. They were down 14-0 very early in the game and came back to take the lead. And then after Eli threw another int on the first play of the second half and the Bills took the lead. The defense made it happen, returning 2 picks for TD's. Also huge days by the backfield of Jacobs and Bradshaw. Finally in the second half, they stopped letting Eli throw the ball. He also did manage to fumble 3-4 snaps in the game which he lost 2 of. Just a great effort from the other 52 guys on the roster.
I am very excited to see them in the playoffs again, especially after the way the seaon started. But relistically I am not expecting much, even though in my opinion the NFC is not that strong. Mr Manning better sharpen up his game for the playoffs if they are going to have any shot. They won today despite him, but they will not be able to do that in the playoffs. I guess I just have to keep the faith in a guy that the only thing that he has going for himself right now is his last name.

[declansharbor]

Agree with everything above.

[dylbert]

Math, why doesn't Coughlin bench Manning and start one of the SEC Valentine Brothers? South Carolina's Anthony Wright and UK's Jared "Round Mound of Touchdown" Lorenzen share February 14 birth date. You can't make this stuff up.

Or maybe you can void trade with Chargers and get Philip Rivers back?

[mclem10011]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Big Blue just made it back to the playoffs, despite the efforts of Eli Manning. He was absolutley God-Awful. I have been one of his biggest supporters, so far. But my faith is wavering after todays game. He looked like a Dave Brown clone today. But, you have to give the rest of the team a lot of credit. They were down 14-0 very early in the game and came back to take the lead. And then after Eli threw another int on the first play of the second half and the Bills took the lead. The defense made it happen, returning 2 picks for TD's. Also huge days by the backfield of Jacobs and Bradshaw. Finally in the second half, they stopped letting Eli throw the ball. He also did manage to fumble 3-4 snaps in the game which he lost 2 of. Just a great effort from the other 52 guys on the roster.
I am very excited to see them in the playoffs again, especially after the way the seaon started. But relistically I am not expecting much, even though in my opinion the NFC is not that strong. Mr Manning better sharpen up his game for the playoffs if they are going to have any shot. They won today despite him, but they will not be able to do that in the playoffs. I guess I just have to keep the faith in a guy that the only thing that he has going for himself right now is his last name.

Despite him is right! I'm not a Giants fan, but he stinks. I know he's got alot to live up to, in terms of his father and brother being good, and outstanding QB'S respectively, and that's got to put pressure on the kid. To me, he's extremely immature at the position, and damn clumsy with the football both passing and just trying to take a freakin snap! Perhaps in time he'll come around, right now I do not see him taking them very far even in the mediocre NFC!

[mclem10011]

Originally Posted by dylbert

Math, why doesn't Coughlin bench Manning and start one of the SEC Valentine Brothers? South Carolina's Anthony Wright and UK's Jared "Round Mound of Touchdown" Lorenzen share February 14 birth date. You can't make this stuff up.

Or maybe you can void trade with Chargers and get Philip Rivers back?

J-LOAD isn't the answer either!

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by mclem10011

Despite him is right! I'm not a Giants fan, but he stinks. I know he's got alot to live up to, in terms of his father and brother being good, and outstanding QB'S respectively, and that's got to put pressure on the kid. To me, he's extremely immature at the position, and damn clumsy with the football both passing and just trying to take a freakin snap! Perhaps in time he'll come around, right now I do not see him taking them very far even in the mediocre NFC!

He has shown flashes of brillance, the 2 that stick out in my mind are: The first game that he played in SD (I think it was last year). It was a national game in very very hostile territory and he was awesome. The defense couldn't sniff Tomlinson that night and he basically beat the G-men by himself. By Eli was sharp and on-point. The second game was an OT win against the Eagles ( I think last year too). By he led the G-men back from I think it was a 17 point defeicate in the 2nd half. Ending with a 50 yard bomb to Plax on an all out Birds blitz. That's what fustrates me the most is that the kid has the tools. I used to think it was either the line or the recievers and or the play calling. Now for the first time I am starting to think that it is him. He also plays with no emotion, and that kills me. He just looks like a kid that has lost his way. Today he had this hopeless look on his face every time he made a mistake, like he knew that he himself was flushing the season away. He has good recievers and TE's (but he never looked for Shockey) but latley he only throws towards Plax who is far from 100%. Ever since the debacle against the Vikings he has been just flat out bad. Maybe they will give the kid the week off next week aganst the Pats and let him clear his head. The last thing they need going into the playoffs is for him to throw 4 more picks with 2 going back for td's. Plus the crowd at the Swamp is starting to sound like the on that has been going to the garden to watch the Knicks.

[mclem10011]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

He has shown flashes of brillance, the 2 that stick out in my mind are: The first game that he played in SD (I think it was last year). It was a national game in very very hostile territory and he was awesome. The defense couldn't sniff Tomlinson that night and he basically beat the G-men by himself. By Eli was sharp and on-point. The second game was an OT win against the Eagles ( I think last year too). By he led the G-men back from I think it was a 17 point defeicate in the 2nd half. Ending with a 50 yard bomb to Plax on an all out Birds blitz. That's what fustrates me the most is that the kid has the tools. I used to think it was either the line or the recievers and or the play calling. Now for the first time I am starting to think that it is him. He also plays with no emotion, and that kills me. He just looks like a kid that has lost his way. Today he had this hopeless look on his face every time he made a mistake, like he knew that he himself was flushing the season away. He has good recievers and TE's (but he never looked for Shockey) but latley he only throws towards Plax who is far from 100%. Ever since the debacle against the Vikings he has been just flat out bad. Maybe they will give the kid the week off next week aganst the Pats and let him clear his head. The last thing they need going into the playoffs is for him to throw 4 more picks with 2 going back for td's. Plus the crowd at the Swamp is starting to sound like the on that has been going to the garden to watch the Knicks.

I agree that he's got tools, and has shown flashes. He certainly also has talent around him that can make plays if given the chance. You make another great point about him looking lost out there like a kid. I would also add, that if things go wrong, have you noticed those drooping dog eyes, he gets? Like somone just stole his icream cone, or something? To me he's got talent, and I didn't mean to say otherwise, he just has alot of growing up to do IMO.

[pmayjr]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

He has shown flashes of brillance, the 2 that stick out in my mind are: The first game that he played in SD (I think it was last year). It was a national game in very very hostile territory and he was awesome. The defense couldn't sniff Tomlinson that night and he basically beat the G-men by himself. By Eli was sharp and on-point. The second game was an OT win against the Eagles ( I think last year too). By he led the G-men back from I think it was a 17 point defeicate in the 2nd half. Ending with a 50 yard bomb to Plax on an all out Birds blitz. That's what fustrates me the most is that the kid has the tools. I used to think it was either the line or the recievers and or the play calling. Now for the first time I am starting to think that it is him. He also plays with no emotion, and that kills me. He just looks like a kid that has lost his way. Today he had this hopeless look on his face every time he made a mistake, like he knew that he himself was flushing the season away. He has good recievers and TE's (but he never looked for Shockey) but latley he only throws towards Plax who is far from 100%. Ever since the debacle against the Vikings he has been just flat out bad. Maybe they will give the kid the week off next week aganst the Pats and let him clear his head. The last thing they need going into the playoffs is for him to throw 4 more picks with 2 going back for td's. Plus the crowd at the Swamp is starting to sound like the on that has been going to the garden to watch the Knicks.

I was impressed with Eli's poise in that game against the Bears about a month ago. He was inept for 3 and a half quarters. But in the final 5 minutes of that game HE lead them to victory. It's gotta be enough for you Giants fans to rip your hair out when he can look so bad and then good, but no consistency.

If they do bench Eli, I'd think Lorenzon would get the look. He's parked the bench since Eli's been there. He know's the system, so give him a chance.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by mclem10011

I agree that he's got tools, and has shown flashes. He certainly also has talent around him that can make plays if given the chance. You make another great point about him looking lost out there like a kid. I would also add, that if things go wrong, have you noticed those drooping dog eyes, he gets? Like somone just stole his icream cone, or something? To me he's got talent, and I didn't mean to say otherwise, he just has alot of growing up to do IMO.

That's what I mean about no emotion. They have coddled for four years now. It might be time for a little tough love. Time for a coach or another vet to get in his face and tell him to get his damn head in the game. Don't worry about making mistakes. You have the ability, so go out there and HAVE FUN (which even though I despise the Cowboys, Tony Romo always seems like he is having a ball out there) and just play the game.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by pmayjr

I was impressed with Eli's poise in that game against the Bears about a month ago. He was inept for 3 and a half quarters. But in the final 5 minutes of that game HE lead them to victory. It's gotta be enough for you Giants fans to rip your hair out when he can look so bad and then good, but no consistency.

If they do bench Eli, I'd think Lorenzon would get the look. He's parked the bench since Eli's been there. He know's the system, so give him a chance.

First thing is there is no way they are benching Eli, he is their QB. Even for some reason that they had a veteran like Jake Delhomme (who's been to the SB) on the bench, Eli is still the guy. They make so many mistakes, not just Eli. It seems like they leave a ton of points on the field every week. Even today, take away the 2 defensive TD's and it's a 24-21 game. He fumbled twice in FG territiory, it's just amazing. Dropped balls (today it was Steve Smith on a would be TD), penalties and so on. They say these are the type of games that good teams grind out and win. Like today, the Chicago game that you mentioned. But I think their record has to do more with the poor teams that they have played and beaten. Look at most of their wins,
http://www.giants.com/gameday/schedule.html

They beat Philadelphia, on a day when A.J feeley was so bad that Eagle fans were praying that Donavan would come back soon.

Chicago:They rode Derrick Ward and Armani Toomer's catch bailed Eli out on a badly thrown ball to beat A bad bears team that had many chances to put the G-men away.

Detroit: They caught the Lions just as they started to go in the tank, The Lions were driving down the field twice in the 4th Quarter and only won because Kitna had 2 balls picked.

The 4 wins before that were against maybe the 4 worse teams in the league:Jets, 49ers, Falcons and Dolphins. The Dolphins game was a nailbiter too.

They beat the Eagles without Westbrook the first time and they had a mircle goal line stnd against the Skins early in the season.

Basically what I am saying is that they are the worst 10-5 team in the history of the NFL. It is not all Eli's fault, but he has been a very big contributor. Big mistakes that are costing them and keep teams in games.
4 out of the 5 losses came against teams with winning records and in those games the Giants were pasted! He was terrible and looked lost and rattled against the Vikes in a game were he should have been pulled down 17 going into the 4th. But that schmuck Coughlin (that will be another thread some other time) left him in to get his head battered a little more and throw a couple of more picks. The o-line was terrible too that day.Eli actually played well the first game against Dallas. I just wonder what is going to happen in 2 weeks. I want to believe that they can beat Tampa (I really do believe that). They have the talent, but can #10 pull it all together and lead them too victory? Or by judging by the play calling in the second half, when they decided that they weren't going to let him lose the game. Maybe they are just going to try to run, run and run some more.

[Danzig]

i saw elis numbers last week. he's not that bad of a quarterback--he's just unlucky in that he's saddled with that last name, and everyone compares him to his big brother. not many QB's do compare to peyton.

giants have big problems all around--the qb is only as good as his line, and his targets. but eli has a huge bulls eye on his shirt...of course he's making dammed good money, so no doubt that eases the pain.

[hi_im_god]

he's damn lucky he isn't having to deal with the rabid fans and savage media in san diego.

smart move on his part choosing the low pressure in new york.

on the other hand, he's missing the brilliant sports ownership of the spanos family.

i guess it was a hard choice.

[JJP]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i saw elis numbers last week. he's not that bad of a quarterback--he's just unlucky in that he's saddled with that last name, and everyone compares him to his big brother. not many QB's do compare to peyton.

giants have big problems all around--the qb is only as good as his line, and his targets. but eli has a huge bulls eye on his shirt...of course he's making dammed good money, so no doubt that eases the pain.

I would not say he's unlucky to have that last name. THat last name is what got him being the top pick in the NFL draft and will likely get him more starting opportunities in the future when they won't be warranted.

He's nowhere near Peyton and he never will be. Its obvious now that the best QB of that class was Rothlesberger, not Eli.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by JJP

I would not say he's unlucky to have that last name. THat last name is what got him being the top pick in the NFL draft and will likely get him more starting opportunities in the future when they won't be warranted.

He's nowhere near Peyton and he never will be. Its obvious now that the best QB of that class was Rothlesberger, not Eli.

that's true too. his name is both a blessing and a curse. but he should be compared to qb's in general, rather than to one very good one in particular.

[JJP]

Originally Posted by Danzig

that's true too. his name is both a blessing and a curse. but he should be compared to qb's in general, rather than to one very good one in particular.

I think in general, QB play really regressed this year. Yeah the two guys who were the best going into the season are still the two best. And Rothlesberger rebounded after an injury plagued disappointing 2006 season. The other guys to show improvement were Favre and Garrard. But Palmer took a step backward. Eli regressed, as did Rivers and Vince Young. Drew Brees finished well but started the season horribly. Grossman found himself on the bench less than a month into the season. When you see how few good QBs are really in the league, it becomes apparent how guys like Testaverde and Dilfer can stay in the league.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Big Blue just made it back to the playoffs, despite the efforts of Eli Manning. He was absolutley God-Awful. I have been one of his biggest supporters, so far. But my faith is wavering after todays game. He looked like a Dave Brown clone today. But, you have to give the rest of the team a lot of credit. They were down 14-0 very early in the game and came back to take the lead. And then after Eli threw another int on the first play of the second half and the Bills took the lead. The defense made it happen, returning 2 picks for TD's. Also huge days by the backfield of Jacobs and Bradshaw. Finally in the second half, they stopped letting Eli throw the ball. He also did manage to fumble 3-4 snaps in the game which he lost 2 of. Just a great effort from the other 52 guys on the roster.
I am very excited to see them in the playoffs again, especially after the way the seaon started. But relistically I am not expecting much, even though in my opinion the NFC is not that strong. Mr Manning better sharpen up his game for the playoffs if they are going to have any shot. They won today despite him, but they will not be able to do that in the playoffs. I guess I just have to keep the faith in a guy that the only thing that he has going for himself right now is his last name.

My faith in Eli will never waiver again! The kid has finally arrived in a SUPER way!

[dylbert]

Eli joins one of the most elite groups in professional football -- Super Bowl winning quarterback. I count him as 27th different QB. Multiple winners is proverbial Who's Who: Starr, Staubach, Griese, Bradshaw, Plunkett, Montana, Elway, Aikman, Brady. One of every three QBs is repeat winner. Eight are Pro Football Hall of Fame members (and Brady is first ballot when he becomes eligible).

Eli is fourth Louisiana-bred (this horse racing site) Super Bowl winning QB -- joining his brother, Peyton, and Doug Williams, and Bradshaw. That is amazing fact for state with 4.2 million residents.

[AeWingnut]

eh, he's lucky that Rod knee Harrison muffed a game ending interception
and there were a couple non-calls that helped also. That and keeping the Pats from recording their scrimmages.

I'm still wondering if the Rams are going to get their 2002 Superbowl rings now that it was proven the Patriots cheated

[Danzig]

i think i'm going to throw up.

someone on the 'worldwide leader' just compared eli to joe montana.

[hurricanefrank]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think i'm going to throw up.

someone on the 'worldwide leader' just compared eli to joe montana.

That's ridiculous, as ridiculous as some comparing his playoff run and SB performance to that of Trent Dilfer's in 2000.