Rite Moment & Laysh Laysh Laysh

zippyneedsawin · #1 02-19-2008, 08:08 AM

Aqueduct 2/18- Laysh Laysh Laysh ...had a little traffic trouble

Aqueduct 2/9- Rite Moment... forgot to start running when the gate opened, still finished a closing second.

We'll see how they do (and where they are spotted) next time out.

NTamm1215 · #2 02-19-2008, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I agree on both, just pessimistic about what kind of a price they'll be.

I agree on the prices though both certainly did encounter unnecessary trouble. In terms of Rite Moment, if Contessa waits for a race like the Distaff BC and an out of town shipper comes back then the price may be decent.

NT

blackthroatedwind · #3 02-20-2008, 11:29 AM

Rite Moment obviously was at least several lengths better than the ( weak ) field she lost to the other day. However, I am dubious as to how long she will maintain her form. If she is to be taken at face value then she could have a solid year. I'll believe it when I see it.

Laysh Laysh Laysh would have won with a very good trip if he managed to get clear ( and win which is questionable ). I'm not particularly thrilled with anyone in that race. I know the Beyer fig was solid but I'll take a wait and see approach. The inner is creating a lot of figs I have trouble with.

Mortimer · #4 02-20-2008, 11:45 AM

Don't you ever have anything nice to say?

viscount26 · #5 02-20-2008, 09:52 PM

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Don't you ever have anything nice to say?

No he doesn't , and Andy is right about Laysh, worst ride I've seen at Aqueduct all Winter IMO

Mortimer · #6 02-20-2008, 11:06 PM

zippyneedsawin · #7 03-06-2008, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

Aqueduct 2/9- Rite Moment... forgot to start running when the gate opened, still finished a closing second.

We'll see how they do (and where they are spotted) next time out.

Entered on Thursday's 8th race at Aqueduct. 2-1 morning line, so we'll see if there's any value here.

zippyneedsawin · #8 03-06-2008, 04:44 PM

8th race - Aqueduct - March 06, 2008
Pgm Horse Win Place Show
4 Rite Moment 4.90 3.10 2.60
6 Morning Gallop 6.50 3.50
3 Bold Assurance 3.90

$2 Exacta 4-6 31.20
$2 Trifecta 4-6-3 137.50
$2 Grand Slam 1/2/4/5/7-4/5/7-1/2/5-2/4 (4 correct) 18.00

Won for fun...

the_fat_man · #9 03-06-2008, 04:51 PM

The moment was right but the price wasn't. Good one, otherwise.

blackthroatedwind · #10 03-06-2008, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

The moment was right but the price wasn't. Good one, otherwise.

Not that it mattered but I thought Stewie Elliot's ride was a hoot in that race.

Every day I see him ride Smarty Jones looks better and better.

3kings · #11 03-06-2008, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Not that it mattered but I thought Stewie Elliot's ride was a hoot in that race.

Every day I see him ride Smarty Jones looks better and better.

I had a much better opinion of Elliot when I didn't get to watch him ride as often.

blackthroatedwind · #12 03-06-2008, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 3kings

I had a much better opinion of Elliot when I didn't get to watch him ride as often.

I hear you. The same happened to me when he came to NY for the winter of 2005. I had never seen him ride and gave him the benefit of the doubt......and then I saw his performance.

NTamm1215 · #13 03-06-2008, 11:00 PM

Matt Carothers of TVG went on and on about what a great rider Stewart Elliott is after the Broadway last Sunday. He talked about what a great gate rider Stewie is- WRONG, then he talked about how tough he is to get by in the stretch- WRONG.

Take Asmussen away from Stewie and he wins at 10% maybe.

NT

NoLuvForPletch · #14 03-07-2008, 12:24 AM

Laysh Laysh Laysh to go in Gotham...with good ole Mario aboard

zippyneedsawin · #15 03-07-2008, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Not that it mattered but I thought Stewie Elliot's ride was a hoot in that race.

Every day I see him ride Smarty Jones looks better and better.

I really thought Bartola would be there if not win the race. When she pressed the pace with Devil House for the first half mile, I knew she was done.

blackthroatedwind · #16 03-07-2008, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Matt Carothers of TVG went on and on about what a great rider Stewart Elliott is after the Broadway last Sunday. He talked about what a great gate rider Stewie is- WRONG, then he talked about how tough he is to get by in the stretch- WRONG.

Take Asmussen away from Stewie and he wins at 10% maybe.

NT

The whole mindset of TV handicappers going on and on about riders is nothing more than a substitution for lack of work and handicapping accumen. If you truly handicap the races, and have a general understanding of them, you don't even have time for filler on riders....much less any interest in discussing them.

As for crediting riders, when the absolute credit belongs with the horse 95% of the time, and any real human credit probably belongs to the training staff, I just won't ever get it. I guess it's all part of generally leading people in the wrong direction.

The Bid · #17 03-07-2008, 08:48 AM

Watch Desormeaux's ride on A Bee C yesterday in the last at GSP. He was bound to get wide, then he decides to use the horse to gain the lead, then he decides he cant get the lead so he hangs himself 5 wide around the track. It was a criminal ride. In Kent's case the jockey should always be considered when making a wager

the_fat_man · #18 03-07-2008, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

Watch Desormeaux's ride on A Bee C yesterday in the last at GSP. He was bound to get wide, then he decides to use the horse to gain the lead, then he decides he cant get the lead so he hangs himself 5 wide around the track. It was a criminal ride. In Kent's case the jockey should always be considered when making a wager

You really need to watch the replay again. This time, a bit more objectively. While he was wide both turns and without cover on the backstretch, Kent rode the horse flawlessly otherwise. He never asked on the turn and just went with the pace. If he tries for the lead or bids prematurely on the turn, as most of these jock normally do, he's dead. Instead, he just went with the flow and lost because he had a wider trip than the others. Then again, breaking from the 12 hole and not having enough speed to do what the 13 did, clear the field, it was expected he'd be wide. Kent is guilty of some terrible rides; this wasn't one of them, however.

blackthroatedwind · #19 03-07-2008, 01:33 PM

If the 6 horse, don't remember his name, wasn't hemmed in the whole stretch, and was able to extricate himself sooner, he would have won.....albeit with a perfect trip.

The Bid · #20 03-07-2008, 04:11 PM

TFM, he used the horse for no reason coming down the backside. He ran up to either get postion, or the lead, instead he ran up and idled. That move in its self left the horse nothing in the stretch. Im pretty objective when I watch rides, and although it may not be one of his worst, it certainly cost the horse any chance to win