Final Oaks Future Pool Odds

[smuthg]

I'm not smart enough to figure out how to locate the final Pool 3 odds on KentuckyOaks.com; does anyone know how the pool closed?

[Kasept]

1 A to the Croft Kenneth McPeek 30 37
2 Absolutely Cindy Ronald Kinmon 15 33
3 African Violet H. Motion 30 47
4 Ariege Robert Frankel 15 21
5 Armonk Kiaran McLaughlin 20 80
6 Awesome Chic Rafael Ramos 20 26
7 Bsharpsonata Timothy Salzman 12 8
8 Country Star Robert Frankel 5 7
9 Eight Belles J. Jones 8 5
10 Elusive Lady John Kimmel 20 78
11 French Kiss Gary Hartlage 50 78
12 Gentle Audrey Melody Conlon 30 99
13 Golden Doc A Barry Abrams 15 15
14 Grace and Power Steve Klesaris 30 59
15 Highest Class Neil Howard 30 33
16 Kadira David Vance 50 99
17 Little Belle Kiaran McLaughlin 30 11
18 My Baby Baby Kenneth McPeek 50 84
19 Proud Spell J. Jones 4 6
20 Pure Clan Robert Holthus 8 8
21 Robbies Gal Stephen DiMauro 50 67
22 Shes All Eltish Martin Wolfson 30 12
23 Valentine Fever Gregory Foley 50 99
24 All Other 15 11

[Kasept]

6-1 on Proud Spell will end up a true value.. How could anyone would take any meaning from the Ashland?

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Kasept

1 A to the Croft Kenneth McPeek 30 37
2 Absolutely Cindy Ronald Kinmon 15 33
3 African Violet H. Motion 30 47
4 Ariege Robert Frankel 15 21
5 Armonk Kiaran McLaughlin 20 80
6 Awesome Chic Rafael Ramos 20 26
7 Bsharpsonata Timothy Salzman 12 8
8 Country Star Robert Frankel 5 7
9 Eight Belles J. Jones 8 5
10 Elusive Lady John Kimmel 20 78
11 French Kiss Gary Hartlage 50 78
12 Gentle Audrey Melody Conlon 30 99
13 Golden Doc A Barry Abrams 15 15
14 Grace and Power Steve Klesaris 30 59
15 Highest Class Neil Howard 30 33
16 Kadira David Vance 50 99
17 Little Belle Kiaran McLaughlin 30 11
18 My Baby Baby Kenneth McPeek 50 84
19 Proud Spell J. Jones 4 6
20 Pure Clan Robert Holthus 8 8
21 Robbies Gal Stephen DiMauro 50 67
22 Shes All Eltish Martin Wolfson 30 12
23 Valentine Fever Gregory Foley 50 99
24 All Other 15 11

22 Shes All Eltish Martin Wolfson 30 12
that is a joke in my opinion

[robfla]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

22 Shes All Eltish Martin Wolfson 30 12
that is a joke in my opinion

I agree about value, but her last race was very impressive. The BSF came back way too low IMO

[smuthg]

Originally Posted by Kasept

1 A to the Croft Kenneth McPeek 30 37
2 Absolutely Cindy Ronald Kinmon 15 33
3 African Violet H. Motion 30 47
4 Ariege Robert Frankel 15 21
5 Armonk Kiaran McLaughlin 20 80
6 Awesome Chic Rafael Ramos 20 26
7 Bsharpsonata Timothy Salzman 12 8
8 Country Star Robert Frankel 5 7
9 Eight Belles J. Jones 8 5
10 Elusive Lady John Kimmel 20 78
11 French Kiss Gary Hartlage 50 78
12 Gentle Audrey Melody Conlon 30 99
13 Golden Doc A Barry Abrams 15 15
14 Grace and Power Steve Klesaris 30 59
15 Highest Class Neil Howard 30 33
16 Kadira David Vance 50 99
17 Little Belle Kiaran McLaughlin 30 11
18 My Baby Baby Kenneth McPeek 50 84
19 Proud Spell J. Jones 4 6
20 Pure Clan Robert Holthus 8 8
21 Robbies Gal Stephen DiMauro 50 67
22 Shes All Eltish Martin Wolfson 30 12
23 Valentine Fever Gregory Foley 50 99
24 All Other 15 11

Thanks, Steve... Agree on Proud Spell, but will say that Eight Bells looked really good in person today... If Alina goes in the Oaks, she'll get some of my money.

[ddthetide]

IMO, the Oaks will be the better of the two races. BSharp, Country Star, Eight Belles, Proud Spell, Shes all Eltish and now Little Belle. i hope they all show up healthy and with their A-game.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by ddthetide

IMO, the Oaks will be the better of the two races. BSharp, Country Star, Eight Belles, Proud Spell, Shes all Eltish and now Little Belle. i hope they all show up healthy and with their A-game.

i dont get it ? shes all eltish ? omg, how slow can you run . say whatever you want about me, i would take the defeated chalk out of her race, over her. the howard mineshaft, i forget the name.... but anyway she seemed to never like the track, and i remember jerry b on the espn telecast saying she took her self completley out of the race, i would have no problem giving her another shot at GIANT ODDS.

[jcs11204]

THE filly i speak of, is Highest Class

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Got Eight Belles in pool#1 @ 22-1, probably the best future bet I made on either the Derby or Oaks

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

Got Eight Belles in pool#1 @ 22-1, probably the best future bet I made on either the Derby or Oaks

good for you HHH, you have a great shot.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

They really need to find someone halfway competent to come up with the 23 horses they choose in these future pools.

I know I already complained about this with Alina not being in Round 2 of this bet - but isn't the point to pick the 23 horses that the public are likely to bet the most money on?

By my count, there are 7 horses who closed at odds of 78/1 or more - and three horses who closed at odds of 99/1 or more.

There is simply no way that Alina wouldn't take a good deal of money in this bet. She was coming into the weekend off of a triple digit Beyer in her most recent start - and she is trained by Steve Asmussen - who is dwarfing all other trainers in total stakes wins and money won so far this year.

Basically, whoever's deciding on which horses to take obviously has a negative opinion on Alina (and that is fine) - however, their personal opinions of these horses should have no impact on which 23 they choose. They have a duty to select the 23 indivdual horses whom the public will most likely wager the most money on.

You've got to be kidding me if they thought that a horse like Valentine Fever (who was 12th beaten 20 in her only start on dirt) would take as much or more money than an Asmussen filly coming off of a triple digit Beyer.

Even a horse like French Kiss (who was 4 times a bigger price than Alina today) was not going to take as much or more money.

When you see things like this - you just wonder what is going on sometimes.

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

They really need to find someone halfway competent to come up with the 23 horses they choose in these future pools.

I know I already complained about this with Alina not being in Round 2 of this bet - but isn't the point to pick the 23 horses that the public are likely to bet the most money on?

By my count, there are 7 horses who closed at odds of 78/1 or more - and three horses who closed at odds of 99/1 or more.

There is simply no way that Alina wouldn't take a good deal of money in this bet. She was coming into the weekend off of a triple digit Beyer in her most recent start - and she is trained by Steve Asmussen - who is dwarfing all other trainers in total stakes wins and money won so far this year.

Basically, whoever's deciding on which horses to take obviously has a negative opinion on Alina (and that is fine) - however, their personal opinions of these horses should have no impact on which 23 they choose. They have a duty to select the 23 indivdual horses whom the public will most likely wager the most money on.

You've got to be kidding me if they thought that a horse like Valentine Fever (who was 12th beaten 20 in her only start on dirt) would take as much or more money than an Asmussen filly coming off of a triple digit Beyer.

Even a horse like French Kiss (who was 4 times a bigger price than Alina today) was not going to take as much or more money.

When you see things like this - you just wonder what is going on sometimes.

I agree, and think the Oaks future bet is a far bigger risk than the derby.
Being that they usually have 10-14 horses, instead of the 20 in the derby.
It also seems that running in the Oaks isn't the primary goal for every decent 3-yo filly, like it is for the colts.