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Old 07-20-2006, 01:59 PM
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Default Very entertaining Bloodhorse article

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=34505

About the first million-dollar yearling sold, back in the '70s. Check out the final paragraph on how he did at the races...

Question for the buyers-- in the first paragraphs, a bidding strategy of opening at a million is planned by one group of buyers, but it said the colt had a "reserve of 500,000" so that foiled that plan. How does having a reserve lower than the considered opening bid ruin that? Is it because the auctioneer must start the bidding at the reserve bid, while if there was no reserve the bidders could shout out their starting bid? Me no understandy... education, please?
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Old 07-20-2006, 02:10 PM
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Canadian Bound lost all four of his starts ...

... because he "wasn't himself" and he "didn't fire."

Like Canadian Bound ... record-setting yearlings have mostly been flops ... but Majestic Prince and Wajima were notable exceoptions.
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Old 07-20-2006, 02:38 PM
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Wajima was the last Bold Ruler sold at public auction....which obviously contributed to his sale price. Wasn't he a half to Naskra?
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Old 07-20-2006, 03:21 PM
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Wajima was the last Bold Ruler sold at public auction....which obviously contributed to his sale price. Wasn't he a half to Naskra?
Bold Ruler out of Iskra.

Naskra was by Nasram.
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Old 07-20-2006, 03:47 PM
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I knew it was Iskra and I guess the similar name made me think of Naskra as I am almost sure he was a half to somebody noteworthy.
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Old 07-20-2006, 03:57 PM
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I knew it was Iskra and I guess the similar name made me think of Naskra as I am almost sure he was a half to somebody noteworthy.
Unfortunately ... Wajima is one of the most forgotten champions of the past 30 years.

He didn't race as a 4YO because he came along when stallion syndications were booming ... and the cost of insurance to keep him racing became prohibitive.

And both his 2YO and 3YO campaigns were very brief ... his 4 starts as a 2YO covering only six weeks ... and his stakes efforts as a 4YO covering less than 4 months ... much too short a time to attain noteworthiness in the era of Secretariat, Forego, Ruffian, Seattle Slew, Affirmed, Alydar, and Spectacular Bid.

Also ... he was one of the world's worst stallions ... so his name no longer appears in the pedigrees of good horses.

But ... his titanic efforts against Forego, Foolish Pleasure, and Ancient Title ... and his ten-length runaway in the Travers ... stamped him as truly remarkable talent in an age of legends.

Fortunately ... his name will always appear in the record books as Champion 3YO of 1975.
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Old 07-20-2006, 04:06 PM
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I saw Wajima race a couple of times. I saw him win the Travers ( Media was second and I believe Jim Dandy winner Forceten was 3rd ). It was a pretty weak five horse field. When he won the old Governor's Cup, the ex-Labor Day feature and Marlboro prep, he beat Foolish Pleasure in his first start since the match race I believe and Forego who they stiffed in order to get weight off for the Marlboro. Ancient Title, off his Whitney win, was probably also in that field. When he beat Forego in the Marlboro Gustines unwisely sent Forego up the rail and big free running horse that he was he was not happy inside. Forego, of course, turned the tables a couple weeks later in the Woodward and then Group Plan upset Wajima in his final start, the two mile JCGC in the slop. Forego missed that race with an injury.

Wajima was a very nice horse....in the days when there were a bunch of nice horses around....and they raced!
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Old 07-20-2006, 04:31 PM
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Group Plan upset Wajima in his final start, the two mile JCGC in the slop. Forego missed that race with an injury.
That was Wajima's only weakness as a race horse ... he hated the slop. He also lost in the slop to the mudder-of-all-mudders Valid Appeal.

I too was there for the Travers ... and was very disappointed when DiMauro saddled Wajima in the shed ... instead of in the open where spectators could walk right up to the horse in the old paddock configuration.

I was able to run alongside Wajima from the shed to the path which leads to the track ... and was able to appreciate his size and appearance. He was one of the most beautiful bay horses I've ever seen.

P.S. I recall there was a middle-aged woman on the way to the track ... who called out "Hi, Waji Waji Waji!" Wajima gave her a look which said, "Hey, lady ... I'm a professional race horse ... what's this 'Waji Waji Waji' stuff?"

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Old 07-20-2006, 05:02 PM
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Bold Ruler out of Iskra.

Naskra was by Nasram.
Bold Ruler was sired by Nasrullah (Nearco), dam...Miss Disco (Discovery).
BB again shows his breeding knowledge. geesh!
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Old 07-20-2006, 07:55 PM
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Can someone please explain the bidding reserve thing in the article to me? I'm still very confugio...
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Old 07-20-2006, 08:10 PM
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Bold Ruler was sired by Nasrullah (Nearco), dam...Miss Disco (Discovery).
BB again shows his breeding knowledge. geesh!

BB was not talking about the breeding of Bold Ruler, he was giving the breeding for Wajima.
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Old 07-20-2006, 08:56 PM
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BB was not talking about the breeding of Bold Ruler, he was giving the breeding for Wajima.
Bold Ruler was the horse most responsible for my becoming interested (infatuated?) with thoroughbred racing in 1958.

When his early foals were so successful as runners ... I began keeping track of their every start.

At first ... this was relatively easy to do ... since Bold Ruler was a private stallion ... and almost all of his foals were owned by the Phipps family and their friends ... and thus did most of their racing at New York tracks.

But as Ogden Phipps wisely began making deals for Bold Ruler to be bred to the best outside mares ... in consultation with Claiborne Farm's legendary Bull Hancoc-k ... ownership of his foals became more dispersed ... and Bold Ruler's children began popping up at racetracks across the country ... and even in Europe.

The fact that my favorite race horse had become the world's greatest sire of runners ... only made the tracking endeavor that much more exciting.

I persisted diligently in keeping tabs on every one of his foals ... even to the point of avidly seeking out and buying American newspapers while I was travelling throughout Europe. As this was the 1960's and early 1970's ... I did all this tracking with good old-fashioned pencil and paper.

I still have all my copious, now-yellowed, handwritten notes ... and some typewritten ones ... from 1962 through 1977 ... when his last foals raced ... which track nearly all of Bold Ruler's offspring with their year-by-year earnings ... their stakes wins and placings ... and of course ... the names of their dams.

Even today ... with massive computerization ... my records are more accurate and complete than those of Pedigree Online, for instance.

I've been an expert on Bold Ruler and his children for over 40 years ... except ... I didn't know Bold Ruler's own breeding until just now ... when that kind gentleman pointed it out to me.

Thank you, sir ... what would I have done without you?
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Old 07-21-2006, 12:17 AM
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the bidding reserve thing made no sense at all so i'd just forget about it. a reserve is just a minimum price the seller sets for the horse to sell.
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Old 07-21-2006, 02:43 AM
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Bold Ruler was the horse most responsible for my becoming interested (infatuated?) with thoroughbred racing in 1958.

When his early foals were so successful as runners ... I began keeping track of their every start.

At first ... this was relatively easy to do ... since Bold Ruler was a private stallion ... and almost all of his foals were owned by the Phipps family and their friends ... and thus did most of their racing at New York tracks.

But as Ogden Phipps wisely began making deals for Bold Ruler to be bred to the best outside mares ... in consultation with Claiborne Farm's legendary Bull Hancoc-k ... ownership of his foals became more dispersed ... and Bold Ruler's children began popping up at racetracks across the country ... and even in Europe.

The fact that my favorite race horse had become the world's greatest sire of runners ... only made the tracking endeavor that much more exciting.

I persisted diligently in keeping tabs on every one of his foals ... even to the point of avidly seeking out and buying American newspapers while I was travelling throughout Europe. As this was the 1960's and early 1970's ... I did all this tracking with good old-fashioned pencil and paper.

I still have all my copious, now-yellowed, handwritten notes ... and some typewritten ones ... from 1962 through 1977 ... when his last foals raced ... which track nearly all of Bold Ruler's offspring with their year-by-year earnings ... their stakes wins and placings ... and of course ... the names of their dams.

Even today ... with massive computerization ... my records are more accurate and complete than those of Pedigree Online, for instance.

I've been an expert on Bold Ruler and his children for over 40 years ... except ... I didn't know Bold Ruler's own breeding until just now ... when that kind gentleman pointed it out to me.

Thank you, sir ... what would I have done without you?
This was funny
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Old 07-21-2006, 05:18 AM
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the bidding reserve thing made no sense at all so i'd just forget about it. a reserve is just a minimum price the seller sets for the horse to sell.
Thanks. I guess I'll let it go....
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Old 07-21-2006, 11:29 AM
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This was funny
But I'll bet the other guy doesn't think so ...

... no wait ... he probably does ... he's so dumb he probably doesn't realize when the joke's on him.
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Old 07-21-2006, 01:40 PM
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Heres a good book to read on the subject. The Home Run Horse written by Glenye Cain a DRF publication was really good! It went into the sales and the multi million dollar buys and how many don't make it.... goes into the history of horseracing and owners strive for that once in a lifetime horse... Easy to read.. you'll breeze right through it!!
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