NYRA denies stalls, bars Matties

[Kasept]

http://www.drf.com/news/article/93802.html

Acting on TRPB info of irregular betting patterns.. Involves his well known brothers that are prominent on the capping tourney circuit.

[cowgirlintexas]

A bit much.... Why would it be a big deal if his brothers like to enjoy horseracing as well. Just on the other side of the fence. So what if they cash a bet on his very few winners?

[ateamstupid]

The stiff family finally gets their comeuppance! Very interesting..

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by cowgirlintexas

A bit much.... Why would it be a big deal if his brothers like to enjoy horseracing as well. Just on the other side of the fence. So what if they cash a bet on his very few winners?

I'm not sure you totally understand what's being implied. . .

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by cowgirlintexas

A bit much.... Why would it be a big deal if his brothers like to enjoy horseracing as well. Just on the other side of the fence. So what if they cash a bet on his very few winners?

Apparently you're unfamiliar with the Matties family "practices".. This isn't innocuous stuff we're talking about.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Apparently you're unfamiliar with the Matties family "practices".. This isn't innocuous stuff we're talking about.

I know the guy... talk to him occasionally, and to be honest, he ain't smart enough to put one over. This is kind of ridiculous. His horses go off at 30-1 in every race because they're terrible.

[Riot]

This part I don't understand (and I know nothing of the Matties family) - what wagering accounts/wagering sites does the TRPB have access to?

And why does Hayward say, "We're not saying there was any race-fixing or anything like that going on."

Isn't that exactly what they are saying?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Mumtaz

This part I don't understand (and I know nothing of the Matties family) - what wagering accounts/wagering sites does the TRPB have access to?

And why does Hayward say, "We're not saying there was any race-fixing or anything like that going on."

Isn't that exactly what they are saying?

that's how you say it w/out opening yourself up for a libel/slander suit

[Riot]

Originally Posted by GBBob

that's how you say it w/out opening yourself up for a libel/slander suit

But seriously ... what about the account access? Doesn't that worry folks?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Mumtaz

But seriously ... what about the account access? Doesn't that worry folks?

I'd like to hear more of the dirt..I'm naive to this whole story/background

[philcski]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I'd like to hear more of the dirt..I'm naive to this whole story/background

He makes no bones about the fact that he and his brothers (who coincendentally own about 90% of his stock) like to bet- and bet big. This is no secret. His horses generally suck and go off at long odds, and he wins at like 5%, outside of the inner track where he's a stellar 10-15%. Not sure what the big deal is here. It's not like he needs to artificially inflate the odds of his horses to bet them... they take care of that themselves. Even if his brothers are betting against their runners, (a) that's not illegal and (b) probably makes sense, because of the reasons stated above.

Like I said, I know the guy, and he ain't the brightest bulb (but definitely a nice guy who geniunely loves his horses). There's no "fixing" going on here.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by philcski

He makes no bones about the fact that he and his brothers (who coincendentally own about 90% of his stock) like to bet- and bet big. This is no secret. His horses generally suck and go off at long odds, and he wins at like 5%, outside of the inner track where he's a stellar 10-15%. Not sure what the big deal is here. It's not like he needs to artificially inflate the odds of his horses to bet them... they take care of that themselves. Even if his brothers are betting against their runners, (a) that's not illegal and (b) probably makes sense, because of the reasons stated above.

Like I said, I know the guy, and he ain't the brightest bulb (but definitely a nice guy who geniunely loves his horses). There's no "fixing" going on here.

I don't doubt what you said, but there has to be something going on here?

[cowgirlintexas]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Apparently you're unfamiliar with the Matties family "practices".. This isn't innocuous stuff we're talking about.

I have to admit, I am not familiar with them at all.. Please fill me in.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by philcski

He makes no bones about the fact that he and his brothers (who coincendentally own about 90% of his stock) like to bet- and bet big. This is no secret. His horses generally suck and go off at long odds, and he wins at like 5%, outside of the inner track where he's a stellar 10-15%. Not sure what the big deal is here. It's not like he needs to artificially inflate the odds of his horses to bet them... they take care of that themselves. Even if his brothers are betting against their runners, (a) that's not illegal and (b) probably makes sense, because of the reasons stated above.

Like I said, I know the guy, and he ain't the brightest bulb (but definitely a nice guy who geniunely loves his horses). There's no "fixing" going on here.

you think this might have to be in regards to that putover last year on that big P6 day? I can't remember but the horse was like 42/1 or something int he first leg of the sequence and won by like 4 lengths??

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Scav

you think this might have to be in regards to that putover last year on that big P6 day? I can't remember but the horse was like 42/1 or something int he first leg of the sequence and won by like 4 lengths??

That was Saratoga almost 9 months ago.... and that horse was yet another in the line of impossible to figure NYB turf racing. Anybody that watches NYRA regularly knows that most of these horses aren't very good, so they beat each other up, sometimes with headscratching results. Honestly I think he was more surprised than anyone, I saw him a couple days before that and he said flat out, the horse had issues and had no shot [and he looked it on recent form, even though he had run a few decent turf races in the past], and when i sent him a congratulatory text he said he was more shocked than the crowd. It was the first race he'd won at Saratoga in like 8 years or something. More than likely it was something on the inner, based on the timing of the penalty handown.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by philcski

That was Saratoga almost 9 months ago.... and that horse was yet another in the line of impossible to figure NYB turf racing. Anybody that watches NYRA regularly knows that most of these horses aren't very good, so they beat each other up, sometimes with headscratching results. Honestly I think he was more surprised than anyone, I saw him a couple days before that and he said flat out, the horse had issues and had no shot [and he looked it on recent form, even though he had run a few decent turf races in the past], and when i sent him a congratulatory text he said he was more shocked than the crowd. It was the first race he'd won at Saratoga in like 8 years or something. More than likely it was something on the inner, based on the timing of the penalty handown.

The action by the New York Racing Com. was handled horribly especially when someone is giving interviews on the subject to high profile columnists with the DRF.

The game already is thought of by far too many as a simmering cesspool of corruption and back door prearranged results without another set of half disclosed reasons to question the legitimacy of fair racing and wagering at another major track in this country.

The Tampa/Delaware/Great Lakes jockey scandal was the last half story to make a horse player question whether the criminals were the jocks or the track administration that closed business on a half a dozen well known pilots of horse flesh with nary a criminal charge of conspiracy or fraud. The damage to the game and the families of those men was in itself a felony yet charged or settled.

If there was a crime here in New York or through a wagering outlet file it or shut the (blank) up. I am sick of these cowards with loose mouths giving interviews to national media to do their dirty work and ruin a reputation about supposed wrongs that are not handled by the judicial system.

If the track admin or racing commission chooses to hide behind the "private business" shield for despicable but legal acts that cast guilt on a trainer with no due process then have the decency to do so quietly without the cowardly need to gather the court of public opinion to their side because they have a forum at the DRF few can afford.

This story weakens the game and the people who make a living at it who do an honest business for an honest wage and New York Racing should be appalled by this latest circus and it's contribution to why racing is thought of as having the credibility of wrestling.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Kasept

http://www.drf.com/news/article/93802.html

Acting on TRPB info of irregular betting patterns.. Involves his well known brothers that are prominent on the capping tourney circuit.

Didn't hear yesterday's show but did you address this on air? Again a subject that screams for Andy's thoughts I am sure he is at least familiar with why this was done.

[Unionavenue]

Isn't this typical of what the TRBP did to the seven riders that were suspended for "irregular betting patterns." It's been almost two years and no evidence has been produced but most of these riders still are prevented from plying their trade.

Don't know any of the facts here because the TRBP never presents any facts. The take punitive action, claim that they can't say anything because the matter is being investigated and the people involved have their careers ruined.

We all want a clean game but you have to wonder about the people that are in charge of monitoring the game. How is the Matteis family with a trainer and two brothers that bet a lot of money any different than Barry Schwartz who is partners with Ernie Dahlman who not only bets more money than Matteis but owns a big chunk of a rebate shope himself.

Just mention "New Yokr Billy" to the TRBP and they break out into a cold sweat.

[Danzig]

really a no win situation for the track. mention was made of the jocks who were refused entry to tracks, and then you have stall space denied due to possible problems. in all cases, attempts have been made to protect the betting public, but they're now 'wrong' for having done so-since there may not be enough evidence to convict in a court of law. however, the owners of these tracks have a right to deny service, or space, to whomever.
can't help but wonder how much outrage there would be had their been proof presented that there were shady activities, the track had an inkling, but did nothing due to lack of enough substantial evidence to make a case.

can't please all the people all of the time-so the tracks must do the best they can.

look at it this way, if you had an employee that you were 99.99% sure was stealing from you, but you didn't have enough to call the cops to arrest--would he still be working for you?

[blackthroatedwind]

I'm sure Billy will be excited to know he was mentioned here. It would, undoubtably, be the pinnacle of his existance.