whens hilary going to get out?

johnny pinwheel · #1 05-06-2008, 01:23 PM

i don't see how she can win. the media needs this crap for ratings . but according to my math it virtually immpossible for her to catch up .

SniperSB23 · #2 05-06-2008, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

i don't see how she can win. the media needs this crap for ratings . but according to my math it virtually immpossible for her to catch up .

She wants Obama to lose so she can run again in four years instead of having to wait eight. By my estimates Obama just needs 79 of the 273 unpledged superdelegates to win. There is no way that isn't happening. Now that Hillary is aware of that she's already changed the number from 2024 to 2200 trying to count Florida and Michigan. She won't quit until she's forced out, she'll just keep trying to change the rules.

#3 05-06-2008, 05:03 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzxyUzQUDKw

Danzig · #4 05-06-2008, 06:30 PM

obama isn't exactly killing her. he's not ahead by much, and i guess she feels she still has a shot.

dewey defeats truman. remember that headline?

ArlJim78 · #5 05-06-2008, 07:56 PM

she won't conceed anything, nor should she, until Obama has the delegate count, which includes the super delegates. this should happen next month.

The Bid · #6 05-06-2008, 11:29 PM

Im not a dem, but if I were I would be pretty disappointed with both candidates

GBBob · #7 05-06-2008, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

Im not a dem, but if I were I would be pretty disappointed with both candidates

Honestly...when is anyone ever "happy" with a candidate.

And after the dust settles, I'm still good w/ Barack

#8 05-07-2008, 12:01 AM

Clinton's dont give up.
She is a competitor just like her husband.

Indiana now up for grabs.
Delayed vote. She wont give up.
I wish she would.

johnny pinwheel · #9 05-07-2008, 11:10 AM

well, it sure looks like shes on the verge quitting now. yes she won indiana, but the delagates will be almost an even split. she got hammered in north carolina by over 200,000. like the post said shes toast. her speech even hinted as much. i'm not even a democrat, i stay independant, well here in ny its more like undeclared. theres no way i want this mccain in there though

ArlJim78 · #10 05-07-2008, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob

Honestly...when is anyone ever "happy" with a candidate.

And after the dust settles, I'm still good w/ Barack

not me, I grown to really dislike him and his simplistic rhetoric and condescending view of working people, his bitter/angry wife, his bitter/angry pastor, his corrupt associates, his academic buddies who were former domestic terrorists, etc, etc.

on the other hand, I've grown some respect for Hillary after I realized its really her husband that I couldn't stand.

McCain? not much to say. on par with Hillary imo.

it was a bad night for Clinton, not what she needed.

GBBob · #11 05-07-2008, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

not me, I grown to really dislike him and his simplistic rhetoric and condescending view of working people, his bitter/angry wife, his bitter/angry pastor, his corrupt associates, his academic buddies who were former domestic terrorists, etc, etc.

on the other hand, I've grown some respect for Hillary after I realized its really her husband that I couldn't stand.

McCain? not much to say. on par with Hillary imo.

it was a bad night for Clinton, not what she needed.

Obama's supposed baggage ( and I'm not going to dissect the above point by point) is new and seems "fresher" and more relevant because he was such an unknown on a national scale a year ago. Come on..what politician/President doesn't/didn't have many of the above or just different issues?

ArlJim78 · #12 05-07-2008, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob

Obama's supposed baggage ( and I'm not going to dissect the above point by point) is new and seems "fresher" and more relevant because he was such an unknown on a national scale a year ago. Come on..what politician/President doesn't/didn't have many of the above or just different issues?

I can't think of ANY other politician that had those issues. Come on! he attends a church whose hero is a racist and hates america. who he only disavows now that it appears to be the politically expedient thing to do. we find out yesterday Oprah got the hell out of that church years ago because she felt it was out of the mainstream. to me he is way off the charts compared to most other candidates. if thats what fresh is, no thanks I'll stick with stale.

like I said, going into this election Clinton was my least favorite candidate, but now I'd take her in a second over this guy.

SentToStud · #13 05-07-2008, 03:23 PM

Where is Ross Perot when we need him the most?

Mortimer · #14 05-07-2008, 03:24 PM

He predicted the great sucking sound.

No one listened.

SniperSB23 · #15 05-07-2008, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I can't think of ANY other politician that had those issues. Come on! he attends a church whose hero is a racist and hates america. who he only disavows now that it appears to be the politically expedient thing to do. we find out yesterday Oprah got the hell out of that church years ago because she felt it was out of the mainstream. to me he is way off the charts compared to most other candidates. if thats what fresh is, no thanks I'll stick with stale.

like I said, going into this election Clinton was my least favorite candidate, but now I'd take her in a second over this guy.

How is Obama the racist when the Hillary camp is the one that keeps citing leads in white voters as proof that Obama can't win over the blue collar workers? What the hell definition of blue collar worker says they have to be white? Black people can't do manual labor and earn an hourly wage? I'd guess a pretty high percentage of the African-American population is now working in blue collar jobs. Probably comparable to the percentage of the white population in blue collar jobs.

GBBob · #16 05-07-2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I can't think of ANY other politician that had those issues. Come on! he attends a church whose hero is a racist and hates america. who he only disavows now that it appears to be the politically expedient thing to do. we find out yesterday Oprah got the hell out of that church years ago because she felt it was out of the mainstream. to me he is way off the charts compared to most other candidates. if thats what fresh is, no thanks I'll stick with stale.

like I said, going into this election Clinton was my least favorite candidate, but now I'd take her in a second over this guy.

As opposed to McCain being proud of and soliciting an endorsement from this nut job?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...r_n_89189.html

brianwspencer · #17 05-07-2008, 03:31 PM

Within a week hopefully.

She couldn't win before tonight without convincing the party to go against popular votes, delegates, and states won -- which would spell disaster for her campaign the rest of the year...you don't get to essentially TAKE the nomination from someone else, especially the first serious African-American candidate, and still get the support needed to win. Hell, I'd probably stay home if that happened. I'd say **** her, she made her bed, now she can sleep in it.

And after last night, she is even further from being able to convince anyone that they should steal the nomination from him and give it to her. She's pulling bullshit with FL and MI. Her campaing has said from the beginning that they would play by the rules, until she started losing, then it was time to change the rules. How dare someone get in the way of her Presidency?

So I'm hoping that finally, the fact that she can't win will sink in. She at least sounded a bit more resigned to losing last night, as she very well should. I want to see her be a big person here, realize all she does from here out is harm the party's nominee, and get to work helping him get elected. I want her to prove to me that she cares about this country and believes that the party's platform is the best way to help this country, as opposed to the fact that she cares about Hillary Clinton and that only Hillary Clinton can help this country.

A year ago, Hillary Clinton topped my list of women I admired. I've camped out overnight to shake her hand and speak to her for a matter of seconds. I've defended her while up against anyone who doesn't agree with me about her. I've held her in the highest regard for years and years.

And she's ruined that. She took it away. This isn't the Hillary Clinton I respect. This is a Hillary caricature that's been created by the same old, tired hacks that helped her husband.

She needs to get out. She needs to be gracious. She needs to help Obama win and quit trying to sabotage him with transparent right-wing style attacks.

And then maybe I'll think about working on giving her back even an ounce of the insane amount of respect that I used to have for her.

Til then, she can **** off as far as I'm concerned.

Mortimer · #18 05-07-2008, 03:41 PM

I can't believe how stupid so many of you are.

It's no wonder.

Read Partners in Power:The Clintons and Their America..by Robert Morris ...written about 1996..I think ..or so.

Then tell me about "Her Grace."

ArlJim78 · #19 05-07-2008, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob

As opposed to McCain being proud of and soliciting an endorsement from this nut job?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...r_n_89189.html

not quite the same Bob, but don't feel much like saying anything else about it.

ArlJim78 · #20 05-07-2008, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

How is Obama the racist when the Hillary camp is the one that keeps citing leads in white voters as proof that Obama can't win over the blue collar workers? What the hell definition of blue collar worker says they have to be white? Black people can't do manual labor and earn an hourly wage? I'd guess a pretty high percentage of the African-American population is now working in blue collar jobs. Probably comparable to the percentage of the white population in blue collar jobs.

sorry you misunderstood, i didn't say Obama was a rascist. I'm only saying that he used poor judgement by so closely aligning with one for all those years, calling him a friend, mentor, etc. In Obama's great racism speech of a few months ago he said he could never disavow the rev. then when the heat is turned up he disavows him. He also said he never heard any of the objectionable material when he was in church. right.