Good Luck, Joe Torre

SCUDSBROTHER · #1 06-01-2008, 09:47 PM

You got a tough job doing something with that bunch of guys n' gals. Just a bad combination of players. When a starter throws a decent 6 or 7 innings, they have a tiny lead, and half the time Broxton is giving the game away(because he isn't man enough to just come in and throw heat.) Then ya got Saito throwing a game away. Once that happens, how many quality starts do you think guys are gunna give you? ( if you piss away their hard work.) The offense is just not there, but when ya pitchers(your strength) aren't doing their jobs, then you have nothing. Can't believe this Honeysuck is still getting checks for doing nothing. Mets fans, you need to be calm, because when the Dodgers quit like this, it can make ya look like your better than you are. Maybe your coming around, and maybe you aren't. You can't go by beating the Dodgers right now. When they quit, then that's it. They just lay down until they can find some bad pitching to hit.

MaTH716 · #2 06-01-2008, 10:23 PM

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You got a tough job doing something with that bunch of guys n' gals. Just a bad combination of players. When a starter throws a decent 6 or 7 innings, they have a tiny lead, and half the time Broxton is giving the game away(because he isn't man enough to just come in and throw heat.) Then ya got Saito throwing a game away. Once that happens, how many quality starts do you think guys are gunna give you? ( if you piss away their hard work.) The offense is just not there, but when ya pitchers(your strength) aren't doing their jobs, then you have nothing. Can't believe this Honeysuck is still getting checks for doing nothing. Mets fans, you need to be calm, because when the Dodgers quit like this, it can make ya look like your better than you are. Maybe your coming around, and maybe you aren't. You can't go by beating the Dodgers right now. When they quit, then that's it. They just lay down until they can find some bad pitching to hit.

Yesterday was awful, They ruined a very good outing by Billingsley. It seemed that they had men on base all game but only ended up with 2 runs off that hack Pelfrey. Just forget about Santana tonight. Go home and hope to win a few games against a injured/bad rockies team, before the hottest team in the leauge comes in.

SCUDSBROTHER · #3 06-01-2008, 10:45 PM

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Yesterday was awful, They ruined a very good outing by Billingsley. It seemed that they had men on base all game but only ended up with 2 runs off that hack Pelfrey. Just forget about Santana tonight. Go home and hope to win a few games against a injured/bad rockies team, before the hottest team in the leauge comes in.

Offensively, they suck. So, they aren't going anywhere, but they risk not even being a .500 team when they don't protect good efforts by starting pitchers. Take, for instance, great efforts by Kuroda(last Tuesday,) Lowe(last Wednesday,) and Billingsley(yesterday.) Broxton pissed away two of those, and Saito the other one. If these two were bad, then I could understand it. Anybody who watched Broxton pitch on Wednesday night saw how good he is when he takes the dress off, and just throws the ball by people. He gets way too much of the plate with any of his ***** pitches. So, the guy just needs to go in there and humm it, because that finesse crap is no good. I blame Martin, Torre, and especially Honeysuck for letting this guy throw anything but the heat (right now.) They seem to be letting this guy call his own pitches, and this guy is a fat Georgia ****** that has barely got a brain. How can you choose to throw that soft **** in the center of the plate? When you've got a 96-98 mph heater? He is a ******. Who would favor that soft crap that fools nobody?

MaTH716 · #4 06-02-2008, 07:41 AM

Being a Yankees fan, he reminds me of a young Kyle Farnsworth. And I always end up saying to myself "How can a guy that throws 97 suck so badly!" I guess Broxton is going down that same road and eventually end up in Torre's doghouse ala Farnsworth.

Cannon Shell · #5 06-02-2008, 11:10 AM

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Being a Yankees fan, he reminds me of a young Kyle Farnsworth. And I always end up saying to myself "How can a guy that throws 97 suck so badly!" I guess Broxton is going down that same road and eventually end up in Torre's doghouse ala Farnsworth.

Getting in Torre's doghouse may save him. Torre just kills his bullpen by going to the same guy every day a la Scott Proctor who at one time was a promising bridge guy who Torre just killed in NY. Farnsworth throws hard but flat and as Scuds would say has no intestinal fortitude. Broxton is going to be ok.

The Dodgers have a distinct lack of power in the middle of the lineup (A. Jones was supposed to help but we know how thats working out) They dont have a really feared hitter to build a lineup around and a guy that can change things in a hurry. Kemp may wind up being that kind of guy eventually but not yet. If he could cut down his strikeouts a bit he could be scary. Ethier and Loney are good hitters but not real power guys. Kent looks like he is done.

The big issue for this year is the fall of Brad Penny. He has been awful for a guy who won 16 games the last 2 years. Lowe is getting more hittable which is a bad sign. Kuroda is ok. Chan Ho has risen from the dead but how long can that last.

SCUDSBROTHER · #6 06-02-2008, 12:00 PM

Yes, the biggest surprise is not that Broxton is being Jeckyl n' Hyde (this is actually his usual, and we thought 2 years ago that he would eventually take the dress off.) Penny is the surprise. To be honest, there is no way he isn't gunna get hit hard. He is throwing it right smack down the center of the plate. You couldn't get more of the plate, and it's flat. I can't tell ya exactly what's changed ( because Charlie Steiner n' Lyons do the road games

,) but I would guess the velocity is down as well. He might have to be shut down. Will learn more this week, because Scully will be all over it (unlike the road game pair of

.) I don't think KEMP is ever going to hit good pitching. Unfortunately, with this team, it really is a case of guys that aren't talented enough to hit good pitching. As soon as they get bad pitching to hit, they come alive (Heilman the other night.) Ethier might be able to, and Martin may be able to hit .250 against good pitching. LONEY/ KEMP will never hit good pitching. They will always hit bad pitching (like white on rice.) We need Furcal back very badly. That's the main thing which changed. If you look at how they've done since he got hurt, then you'd see how important that player is to this team. A healthy, productive FURCAL can mean as much as 15 games a year for this team.

SCUDSBROTHER · #7 06-02-2008, 12:31 PM

Angels (34-24)....245 runs scored........240 runs allowed

Dodgers (27-29)....249 runs scored.....242 runs allowed

All I can say is that mismanagement has fkd up the Dodgers to the point they may never come back. It's beyond me, how they ever chose that cold fish (BILLY RUSSELL) over Scioscia. Billy probably has got his hands full trying to manage his dick pills well enough to get hard once a week.

Cannon Shell · #8 06-02-2008, 07:40 PM

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Angels (34-24)....245 runs scored........240 runs allowed

Dodgers (27-29)....249 runs scored.....242 runs allowed

All I can say is that mismanagement has fkd up the Dodgers to the point they may never come back. It's beyond me, how they ever chose that cold fish (BILLY RUSSELL) over Scioscia. Billy probably has got his hands full trying to manage his dick pills well enough to get hard once a week.

I think that shows how lucky the Angels have been as opposed to anything the Dodgers have done wrong. Kemp can hit. What is amazing is that he is striking out 25% of his at bats yet still hitting .315 with an OBP of .361. If he can just cut that a bit and put more balls in play he can easily be a .330 hitter because some of the balls in play will drop for hits. Martin is a tremendous hitter especially for a catcher. Furcal is a very good player but can never seem to stay healthy. If Ethier, Loney and De Witt keep hitting they will do ok because Kent almost has to get better but they just are missing the big power bat. They are ranked 7th in MLB in avg, 9th in OBP but just 24th in SLG, 22nd in RBI's, 28th in HR's and 29th in 2b's. Some of this is park related of course but the lack of extra base hits just kills them.

2Hot4TV · #9 06-02-2008, 08:39 PM

The Angels still have some pitchers in the bull pin and are young enough to run the bases.

The Dodgers just dont have the farm system to feed the club like the O"Malleys did.

The Dodgers future is just a .500 ball club and they will still draw 3 million.

Cannon Shell · #10 06-02-2008, 09:12 PM

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The Angels still have some pitchers in the bull pin and are young enough to run the bases.

The Dodgers just dont have the farm system to feed the club like the O"Malleys did.

The Dodgers future is just a .500 ball club and they will still draw 3 million.

Are you kidding? The Dodgers have the best farm system in baseball. What other team can match Kemp, Loney, De Witt, Billingsley, La Roche, Kershaw, Ethier, Broxton, Martin, Kuo, Hu, etc.

Coming into the season they had 3 five star prospects, a four star and 7 three star prospects. Management has made some screw ups in signing free agents but the farm system is producing. I dont think they have enough power and if Penny doesnt turn it around they dont have a number one starter which probably means they will fall short this year but they have a lot of talent .

SCUDSBROTHER · #11 06-03-2008, 12:21 AM

Kemp hit a home run and 2 doubles tonight. Kent homered. I think Ethier, too.Folks they need to face bad pitching, or else they just can't hit. That is the story. The talent only shows up against bad pitchers. It's not a coincidence that they just got their asses kicked by the Cards, Cubs, and Mets. Those are contenders, and they can't compete with contenders like that. They just can not hit against them. They aren't getting better at it, either. It's so obvious when they face a bad pitcher like tonight. It's like such a relief for them. So, yes, the farm club is producing a lot of well thought of players, but virtually none of them have the ability to hit quality major league pitching. They just can't do it. They have 8 runs tonight, and if a decent pitcher was against them, then it would only be 1 run. It's like the best Triple A minor league team ever put together.

Cannon Shell · #12 06-03-2008, 03:53 PM

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Kemp hit a home run and 2 doubles tonight. Kent homered. I think Ethier, too.Folks they need to face bad pitching, or else they just can't hit. That is the story. The talent only shows up against bad pitchers. It's not a coincidence that they just got their asses kicked by the Cards, Cubs, and Mets. Those are contenders, and they can't compete with contenders like that. They just can not hit against them. They aren't getting better at it, either. It's so obvious when they face a bad pitcher like tonight. It's like such a relief for them. So, yes, the farm club is producing a lot of well thought of players, but virtually none of them have the ability to hit quality major league pitching. They just can't do it. They have 8 runs tonight, and if a decent pitcher was against them, then it would only be 1 run. It's like the best Triple A minor league team ever put together.

you are insane but that doesnt mean i dont like you.

SCUDSBROTHER · #13 06-03-2008, 04:28 PM

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you are insane but that doesnt mean i dont like you.

If you saw Kemp's at bats against good pitchers you'd see he is their bitch. He has a decent average because he can hit bad pitchers. If any of thosehits were very impactful, then they wouldn't have loss all those close games on that road trip. I'd say Ethier and Martin are better hitters (as far as hitting against good pitching.) This is certainly not the sharpest thing in the drawer. So, I don't know if he will ever be able to hit good pitching. Swings at a lot of crap (flails away at it.)

Cannon Shell · #14 06-03-2008, 04:49 PM

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If you saw Kemp's at bats against good pitchers you'd see he is their bitch. He has a decent average because he can hit bad pitchers. If any of thosehits were very impactful, then they wouldn't have loss all those close games on that road trip. I'd say Ethier and Martin are better hitters (as far as hitting against good pitching.) This is certainly not the sharpest thing in the drawer. So, I don't know if he will ever be able to hit good pitching. Swings at a lot of crap (flails away at it.)

He seems to have trouble with the breaking stuff but he is still pretty green

SCUDSBROTHER · #15 06-03-2008, 05:16 PM

You've trained horses that are smarter.

Cannon Shell · #16 06-03-2008, 06:44 PM

I've trained horses that couldnt hit the curveball too. I think I trained a horse named Curveball.

SCUDSBROTHER · #17 06-03-2008, 08:10 PM

I wonder how bad Penney will be tonite. E.R.A. just keeps getting bigger. On a Dodger Show, they showed his mom shooting a rifle. She said "That's how ya do it boys." He should claim "Red Neck Gal" for her in the 2nd race tomorrow...Wow, look at Mullins playing poker with Ann's Plan. Wasn't even that bad a race for 50k on the turf, and giving her away for 14k. Wow, the reason he ran her for 50 was because she looked so good for 20k tag. They should just stop interviewing that guy. Interviewing claiming trainers is about as fruitful as giving crack addicts money to buy food. He even takes Tyler off to fck with peoples heads a lil more.

Cannon Shell · #18 06-03-2008, 08:31 PM

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I wonder how bad Penney will be tonite. E.R.A. just keeps getting bigger. On a Dodger Show, they showed his mom shooting a rifle. She said "That's how ya do it boys." He should claim "Red Neck Gal" for her in the 2nd race tomorrow...Wow, look at Mullins playing poker with Ann's Plan. Wasn't even that bad a race for 50k on the turf, and giving her away for 14k. Wow, the reason he ran her for 50 was because she looked so good for 20k tag. They should just stop interviewing that guy. Interviewing claiming trainers is about as fruitful as giving crack addicts money to buy food. He even takes Tyler off to fck with peoples heads a lil more.

Penny must be hurting. He always a bit unusual for a big guy who throws hard he never struk out many. He has just been awful.

I guess the Joba starter experiment didnt work out so well tonight since he reached his max pitches in the 2nd. I just dont know that they are doing the right thing with limiting his pitch counts so low.

SCUDSBROTHER · #19 06-03-2008, 08:49 PM

Walk, balk, pass ball.....Joba seems much like Kuroda boy.

SCUDSBROTHER · #20 06-04-2008, 01:51 AM

Kemp struck out on a low outside junk pitch that broke about 3 feet very late. Looked like an idiot on that pitch. Torrealba dropped the ball, and it rolled out into the baseline. Kemp and him got to bumping each other, and Kemp took a pretty good shot to the throat. They rolled around fighting a lil bit. It's was all just frustration. Guy just can't stop swinging at crap. Francis pitched well. There again, we see a bunch of guys that can't hit a guy who pitches well. Penney was throwing 96-97, and pitched better. I saw some pain on his face early on. He has something wrong somewhere. Don't know what it is. He told Martin that it was "o.k." early on. So, there was some question whether he could pitch through it tonite, but he could. Whether he can continue to, we will see. Throws an awful lot of pitches short ( in the dirt.) His control is simply not good enough. Pretty sure that he would of got rocked again if it was a hotter team than the Rocks.