What Does Jerry Brown Know The Rest Of Us Don't....

[docicu3]

It would seem that Jerry is announcing a pending major change in the medication policy in horse racing with his response on the Thorograph site "small number of true positives in horse racing".

A poster who had the opinion that because of the "few" positives we hear aout that the drug issue is really a nonissue a position I myself take opposition to.

But what is coming from the racing Lords in California that is currently not public knowledge.

Did the recent problems with enforcing the detention barn for trainers sanctioned in California elicit a stronger edict in response by the CHRB.

Anybody know anything about what Mr TGH is talking about?

Link below

http://www.thorograph.com/phorum/rea...5074#msg-45074

[blackthroatedwind]

I pride myself on never knowing what Jerry is talking about.

[the_fat_man]

What are YOU talking about?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

He knows what it's like to hear Ronstadt bitch n' nag constantly. That's why he no longer fears death.

[Kasept]

Jerry has been working with a specific jurisdiction on some impactful reporting and administrative measures he advocates. When they come forth is unclear.

[blackthroatedwind]

Whether or not people understand Jerry, or even agree with him, there is no doubt that he is an advocate for horseplayer's rights. I argue with him every time I talk to him, but I respect his opinions, and know that he wants what is good for the game. Every one of us in this position is at least a little bit crazy in some respect.

This is not meant to be a declaration of incompetence
because obviously Beyer, Rags and Brown understand
horse racing and try to evaluate with numbers.

Have any of these guys had formal training in probablility
and statistics...? or did they just happen upon math because
it was useful for their interest trying to quantify races in
a more meaningful way?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Whether or not people understand Jerry, or even agree with him, there is no doubt that he is an advocate for horseplayer's rights. I argue with him every time I talk to him, but I respect his opinions, and know that he wants what is good for the game. Every one of us in this position is at least a little bit crazy in some respect.

Jerry's goals may be correct but he sometimes comes across as an arrogant zealot. That and his main client using trainers with numerous issues with positives makes some things he says a little tough to take. No one is saying that drugs arent an issue but he can be a little extreme.

[blackthroatedwind]

He's extreme. But the game has made many of us extreme. Not saying it's right but many years of the supposed industry leaders doing absolutely nothing has created this.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

What are YOU talking about?

I posted this because I thought it would stimulate a little discussion on a lazy Tuesday afternoon on the subject and while I agree that Mr Brown sounds a little extreme at times, doesn't always seem to understand the science of venous acid base theory and has advocated measures that would seem to border on imperialism, he seems sincerely to be trying to remove the edge a select group of suspected offenders have that dishonors and cheapens the game.

If he is working closely with an administrative body it most likely is California as most of his comments are usually about the California circuit going so far as to suggest a boycott of providing TGH numbers for those tracks while not too long ago encouraging players not to play certain tracks.

How much of his motivation is to protect the integrity of his figures only he knows for sure but it doesn't seem to be his only reason to go public so often.

I thought it was not only newsworthy but was asking the board if it's members who are closer to these things whether they had more information than is currently published.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

i give the guy big props ,for the whole tgh thing and ..recomending that guy to buy that horse ..send em out to cali to stomp that weak ass bunch..and bet it heavy..

[Riot]

This is probably his quest to have TCO2 levels for all horses publically reported.

He's said on his list that Dr. Rick Arthur (California) has given him copies of TCO2 levels for horses tested in California, and he's requested that info from other jurisdictions (KY, NY, etc).

On his list he's said he believes that TCO2 levels well below the established illegal threshold moves horses up lengths and is performance-enhancing.

He's said he wants TCO2 levels published and public for every horse, every race, so one can identify the average levels for individual trainers (to identify "move-up" trainers).

He thinks that the currently established world-wide TCO2 overage levels should be lowered markedly.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Riot

This is probably his quest to have TCO2 levels for all horses publically reported.

He's said on his list that Dr. Rick Arthur (California) has given him copies of TCO2 levels for horses tested in California, and he's requested that info from other jurisdictions (KY, NY, etc).

On his list he's said he believes that TCO2 levels well below the established illegal threshold moves horses up lengths and is performance-enhancing.

He's said he wants TCO2 levels published and public for every horse, every race, so one can identify the average levels for individual trainers (to identify "move-up" trainers).

He thinks that the currently established world-wide TCO2 overage levels should be lowered markedly.

I'd love to see that happen. To protect themselves from countersuits they have to set the threshold to be above the levels that any horse could ever possibly reach naturally. It wouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure things out if you are seeing a trainer consistently move up the TCO2 levels of their newly acquired horses.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I'd love to see that happen. To protect themselves from countersuits they have to set the threshold to be above the levels that any horse could ever possibly reach naturally. It wouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure things out if you are seeing a trainer consistently move up the TCO2 levels of their newly acquired horses.

The TG guy has had tests done to find out what the HIGHEST natural TCO2 level is within a horse, I think he said it was 37 whatevers....There was a horse in California as recently as last year that had like 62 whatevers, or something.

He has talked about that on the board. I am not 100% sure on those above numbers, but I think they are close...

[Mike2456]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I'd love to see that happen. To protect themselves from countersuits they have to set the threshold to be above the levels that any horse could ever possibly reach naturally.

That's where the threshold is now in all countries that test.

Brown thinks that threshold should be lowered. It most likely won't be (based upon the past 20 years of TCO2 knowledge and experience testing), so he's out to expose the trainers who he thinks are "cheating" by having higher TCO2 levels than other trainers, but who are below the currently established legal limit.

The TG guy has had tests done to find out what the HIGHEST natural TCO2 level is within a horse, I think he said it was 37 whatevers....

LOL - no he hasn't. There's 25 years of detailed research publically available regarding TCO2 in the horse business on google. The guy sells fugures for a living.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Mike2456

That's where the threshold is now in all countries that test.

Brown thinks that threshold should be lowered. It most likely won't be (based upon the past 20 years of TCO2 knowledge and experience testing), so he's out to expose the trainers who he thinks are "cheating" by having higher TCO2 levels than other trainers, but who are below the currently established legal limit.



LOL - no he hasn't. There's 25 years of detailed research publically available regarding TCO2 in the horse business on google. The guy sells fugures for a living.

Ok, well then he is educated within the research that has been done that he knows the top level that a thoroughbred can produce, on its own