W/E Beyer Review

Kasept · #1 06-23-2008, 08:49 AM

NEW YORK S.(G2):
Jun 21, Belmont Park, 1 1/4 Miles, Inner turf, Fillies and Mares, 3-Year-Olds and Up Purse:$250,000

1 - MAURALAKANA-FR .65-1 BEYER: 100
Previous three Beyers: 102-101-97
T: Christophe Clement (157-30 .19) J: Kent J. Desormeaux (523-98 .18)

2 - Dynaforce 2.80-1 BEYER: 100
Previous three Beyers:
T: William I. Mott (397-60 .15) J: John R. Velazquez (591-126 .21)

3 - Hostess 7.30-1 BEYER: 99
Previous three Beyers: 96-99-91
T: H. James Bond (82-9 .10) J: Rajiv Maragh (706-115 .16)

ALSO RAN: Tejida(97), Archstone(87).

FRACTIONS: 24.34 49.61 1:13.86 1:38.10 2:01.31

OTHER ROUTES, TURF:
Race 1 (Clm35,000, 3+, 1 1/8) 23.43 47.34 1:10.98 1:34.97 1:46.80
Race 3 (f-MdnSplWt, 3+, 1 1/16) 24.77 48.36 1:12.26 1:36.36 1:42.59
Race 5 (MdnSplWt, 3+, 1 1/16) 23.77 46.89 1:10.34 1:34.46 1:40.48
Race 7 (MdnClm, 3+, 1 1/8) 24.57 49.73 1:14.22 1:37.84 1:49.37
Race 10 (AlwN1X, 3+, 1 1/16) 24.30 47.60 1:11.81 1:35.84 1:41.86

ALL ALONG S.(G3):
Jun 21, Colonial Downs, 1 1/8 Miles, Outer turf, Fillies and Mares, 3-Year-Olds and Up Purse:$200,000

1 - LADY DIGBY 4.10-1 BEYER: 97
Previous three Beyers: 97-91-89
T: H. Graham Motion (288-57 .19) J: Jeremy Rose (452-122 .26)

2 - Eclisse-FR 8.70-1 BEYER: 92
Previous three Beyers: 82-84-87
T: Martin D. Wolfson (99-22 .22) J: Elvis Trujillo (398-57 .14)

3 - Rutherienne .70-1 BEYER: 91
Previous three Beyers: 100-95-90
T: Christophe Clement (157-30 .19) J: Garrett K. Gomez (524-100 .19)

ALSO RAN: Dancing Band(90), J'ray(85), Royal Pleasure(85), High Moment(78).

FRACTIONS: 24.42 48.84 1:14.19 1:39.76 1:52.19

OTHER ROUTES, OUTER TURF:
Race 9 (CnlTrfCpG3 3yo, 1 3/16) 25.26 50.91 1:18.26 1:45.55 2:04.42

COLONIAL TURF CUP S.(G3):
Jun 21, Colonial Downs, 1 3/16 Miles, Outer turf, 3-Year-Olds
Purse:$600,000

1 - SAILOR'S CAP 3.60-1 BEYER: 93
Previous three Beyers: 93-92-66
T: James J. Toner (34-4 .11) J: Alan Garcia (658-116 .17)

2 - Nistle's Crunch 6.10-1 BEYER: 78
Previous three Beyers: 91-88-74
T: Kenneth G. McPeek (197-52 .26) J: Robby Albarado (600-125 .20)

3 - Your Round 56.40-1 BEYER: 76
Previous three Beyers: 80-86-84
T: Mark Hubley (23-2 .08) J: James Lopez (211-27 .12)

ALSO RAN: Court Vision(76), Adriano(70), Baltimore Bob(67), El Sultry Sun(65), Sporting Art(65), Boss Lafitte(49), Kentucky Bear(46).

FRACTIONS: 25.26 50.91 1:18.26 1:45.55 2:04.42

OTHER ROUTES, OUTER TURF:
Race 8 (f-AlAlngBCG3 3+, 1 1/8) 24.42 48.84 1:14.19 1:39.76 1:52.19

CINEMA H.(G3):
Jun 21, Hollywood Park, 1 1/8 Miles, Turf, 3-Year-Olds
Purse:$150,000

1 - TIZ WEST 3.00-1 BEYER: 92
Previous three Beyers: 87-87-85
T: Richard E. Mandella (119-17 .14) J: Victor Espinoza (423-66 .15)

2 - Ez Dreamer 5.00-1 BEYER: 92
Previous three Beyers: 88-90-83
T: Dan L. McFarlane (185-28 .15) J: Corey S. Nakatani (232-26 .11)

3 - Liberian Freighter 2.00-1 BEYER: 87
Previous three Beyers: 91-88-88
T: Neil D. Drysdale (120-20 .16) J: Rafael Bejarano (541-114 .21)

ALSO RAN: Robscarvic-IRE(84), Polonius(80).

FRACTIONS: 23.23 46.88 1:09.98 1:34.54 1:47.24

OTHER ROUTES, TURF:
Race 6 (MdnSplWt, 3+, 1m) 23.55 46.86 1:10.55 1:22.77 1:35.08

CHARLES TOWN:

WVSprntDby100k: So So 84
RedLegend100k: Devereaux 92
Lady Charles Town: Grand Obsession 76
CT Dash H.: Joey P. 102

SINGSPIEL S.(G3)

Jun 22, Woodbine, 1 1/2 Miles, Turf, 3-Year-Olds and Up
Purse:$150,000

1 - MISSION APPROVED 4.25-1 BEYER: 97
Previous three Beyers: 78-95-88
T: Gary C. Contessa (658-100 .15) J: Ramon Dominguez (1-1 .100)

2 - Rahy's Attorney 3.40-1 BEYER: 94
Previous three Beyers: 101-69-96
T: Ian Black (49-9 .18) J: Slade Callaghan (118-14 .11)

3 - Dubai Gold 43.45-1 BEYER: 84
Previous three Beyers: 78-80-71
T: Alec Fehr (61-8 .13) J: David Clark (188-20 .10)

ALSO RAN: Benz Boy(82), Colorful Judgement(81), Pellegrino-BRZ(78), It's Like This(77), Marchfield(67), My Imperial Dancer(52), Shillelagh Slew(40), Mike Fox(38), Tap Show(37).

FRACTIONS: 50.41 1:15.28 1:40.37 2:05.66 2:30.63

OTHER ROUTES, TURF:
Race 10 (MdnSplWt, 3+, 1 1/16) 23.42 47.10 1:12.03 1:37.13 1:43.66

SCOTTS HIGHLANDER S.(G3)

Jun 22, Woodbine, 6 Furlongs, Turf, 3-Year-Olds and Up
Purse:$200,000

1 - HEROS REWARD 1.15-1 BEYER: 102
Previous three Beyers: 96-95-103
T: Dale Capuano (254-63 .24) J: Javier Castellano (494-83 .16)

2 - The Great Caruso 14.55-1 BEYER: 100
Previous three Beyers: 99-86-66
T: Malcolm Pierce (114-24 .21) J: Patrick Husbands (299-47 .15)

3 - Wollemi Pine 8.05-1 BEYER: 95
Previous three Beyers: 94-93-62
T: Ian Black (49-9 .18) J: Emma-Jayne Wilson (297-35 .11)

ALSO RAN: Indian Ashton(91), Quietly Mine(87), Awesome Action(86), Unusual Suspect(81), Gantu(78), Santana Strings(72).

FRACTIONS: 22.52 44.56 55.76 1:08.02

slotdirt · #2 06-23-2008, 09:08 AM

I have a feeling that's not the last time we'll see Joey P on the CT strip.

tiggerv · #3 06-23-2008, 11:24 AM

I figured the Colonial Turf would be tough to make figures for with all the rain. The track must have been slowing down by the minute.

Joey P wasn't far off the track record at CT. If he had any pressure at all or if the jockey had let him loose he had a good chance to break it.

slotdirt · #4 06-23-2008, 11:50 AM

Considering the track record at 4.5f at CT is by the Charles Town stalwart Outcashem, it would have been a feat to see Joey P. break that record. Here's hoping CT continues to card open sprint races with decent purses that draw legitimate, non-WV bred fields.

ddthetide · #5 06-23-2008, 11:53 AM

surprised that the 2 colonial races were that high. conditions looked to worsen quickly.

VOL JACK · #6 06-23-2008, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ddthetide

surprised that the 2 colonial races were that high. conditions looked to worsen quickly.

there was no possible way to make the figure for the colonial turf cup. I think the beyer guys did a poor job of guessing at the figure. they obviously just reassigned SC figure from his last race.

the_fat_man · #7 06-23-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK

there was no possible way to make the figure for the colonial turf cup. I think the beyer guys did a poor job of guessing at the figure. they obviously just reassigned SC figure from his last race.

Arguably the best turf performance of the year (other than Pay to Dream's freakish run at PIM) and we can't do better than a 93? The horse basically ran the same it did in its previous races?

tiggerv · #8 06-23-2008, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

Considering the track record at 4.5f at CT is by the Charles Town stalwart Outcashem, it would have been a feat to see Joey P. break that record. Here's hoping CT continues to card open sprint races with decent purses that draw legitimate, non-WV bred fields.

I hope they do too. I believe they have a new racing secretary so maybe they will be open to more of these special cards. At least make the sprint festival an annual event....although they must have taken a bath on it. I believe the mutuel pool for the feature was only 58k. Tough to give away 200k in prize money with so little in the pool even with the casino funding it. On the other hand it was a very big crowd and there must have been more people than they were planning for considering they ran out of programs before the first race and were running out of food.

VOL JACK · #9 06-23-2008, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Arguably the best turf performance of the year (other than Pay to Dream's freakish run at PIM) and we can't do better than a 93? The horse basically ran the same it did in its previous races?

I agree, how does that explain Nistles Crunch? Did he run one of his worst races ever while being well clear of the rest of the field in a 600k stake??

The Indomitable DrugS · #10 06-23-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Arguably the best turf performance of the year (other than Pay to Dream's freakish run at PIM) and we can't do better than a 93? The horse basically ran the same it did in its previous races?

TFM, if the Colonial race got a big figure I would make the same case as I did with Pays to Dream's big PIM win.

When the conditions are like that - some horses seem to handle the going a lot better than others causing FAR greater margins of victory and defeat than normal.

I tend to dismiss those performances - but it doesn't mean those horses weren't possibly clearly best anyway.

ateamstupid · #11 06-23-2008, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Arguably the best turf performance of the year (other than Pay to Dream's freakish run at PIM) and we can't do better than a 93? The horse basically ran the same it did in its previous races?

Certainly didn't stop them from giving Pays to Dream a gigantic figure, but this time, they refrained. I don't get it.

blackthroatedwind · #12 06-23-2008, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

TFM, if the Colonial race got a big figure I would make the same case as I did with Pays to Dream's big PIM win.

When the conditions are like that - some horses seem to handle the going a lot better than others causing FAR greater margins of victory and defeat than normal.

I tend to dismiss those performances - but it doesn't mean those horses weren't possibly clearly best anyway.

It's impossible not to think of Brilliance in the Kent a couple years ago.

Bottom line....the fig is meaningless. Sailor's Cap is a good horse, probably the leading US 3YO turf horse right now, but quantifying that race considering the conditions is fruitless.

I don't know why this is hard for people to understand.

blackthroatedwind · #13 06-23-2008, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK

I agree, how does that explain Nistles Crunch? Did he run one of his worst races ever while being well clear of the rest of the field in a 600k stake??

Maybe he hated the turf condition a little less than some of the others. Who knows. He certainly didn't run particularly well. I have a much easier time buying that he ran six or seven lengths worse than his prior efforts than I would saying he ran a similar race.

jcs11204 · #14 06-23-2008, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK

I agree, how does that explain Nistles Crunch? Did he run one of his worst races ever while being well clear of the rest of the field in a 600k stake??

i totally agree, the figures are a mess.... i think the winner freaked and they are afraid to make the figure to high, like a 105-110, that would put the rest of the field in a better range

jcs11204 · #15 06-23-2008, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's impossible not to think of Brilliance in the Kent a couple years ago.

Bottom line....the fig is meaningless. Sailor's Cap is a good horse, probably the leading US 3YO turf horse right now, but quantifying that race considering the conditions is fruitless.

I don't know why this is hard for people to understand.

i am having a hard time understanding it

hockey2315 · #16 06-23-2008, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204

i totally agree, the figures are a mess.... i think the winner freaked and they are afraid to make the figure to high, like a 105-110, that would put the rest of the field in a better range

jcs11204 · #17 06-23-2008, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

if they made it that high, where would he go from there ?>

hockey2315 · #18 06-23-2008, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204

if they made it that high, where would he go from there ?>

I think you need to try to understand how the figs are made. . .

Bobby Fischer · #19 06-23-2008, 05:00 PM

If ever there was a case to split the variant.

I don't think Sailor's Cap is some superhorse anyway... He was one of the best if not the best in the TurfCup, and then it rained, and he is clearly the best of that field in the non-firm-turf... He ran pretty well, and maybe some of them were hurt by the surface.

All they're doing is picking a number that feels good anyway. Working backwards is what they're doing.

They may as well of given out a 98.

I thought it was a 98. 98 Feels better than a 93.

ateamstupid · #20 06-23-2008, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

I think you need to try to understand how the figs are made. . .

Figures for this kind of race are near impossible to 'make', so in this case, I think he's right in that they were apprehensive about putting the number too high. His reason, I don't agree with though. I think that the Beyer guys were more along Andy's lines of thinking, deciding that the other horses ran like crap moreso than Sailor's Cap ran huge.