7/13 (FE): Prince of Wales

zippyneedsawin · #1 07-10-2008, 07:22 AM

Fort Erie: Prince of Wales S.

1 Deputiformer Jerry Baird Mike DePaulo 4-1
2 Pronger Chad Beckon Mike DePaulo 20-1
3 Took the Time Patrick Husbands Mark Casse 8-1
4 Harlem Rocker Eibar Coa Todd Pletcher 2-1
5 East End Tap Elvis Trujillo Reade Baker 20-1
6 Pewter Richard Dos Ramos James Bond 20-1
7 Not Bourbon Jono Jones Roger Attfield 7-5
8 Sebastian's Song David Clark Alec Fehr 20-1

CSC · #2 07-12-2008, 10:58 AM

Strange this seems all too familiar, as of today Harlem Rocker is not even stabled at Fort Erie for tommorow's race. Rather than parachuting in as in the Plate Trial fiasco, wouldn't an acclimation period of a few days be prudent off of what happened at Woodbine? Frank, Todd, whoever is calling the shots doesn't seem to be on the right page when it comes to the Rocker.

eajinabi · #3 07-13-2008, 04:35 PM

Harlem Rocker seems out of place right now. I have no idea why he is in Fort Erie?? Give him some time off before his blockbuster 4 yo season.

ArlJim78 · #4 07-13-2008, 05:01 PM

Harlem Rocker wins, long shot East End Tap second, Not Bourbon faded to the back of the pack.

the announcer got excited at the top of the stretch and said "the favorites are beaten!", only one problem, Harlem Rocker was never passed and drew away late.

eajinabi · #5 07-13-2008, 06:07 PM

That field was ****. Worse than 5,000 claimers at thistledowns.

NTamm1215 · #6 07-13-2008, 09:48 PM

Discard Harlem Rocker in any big 3YO race at your own risk. He is obviously a much different animal on dirt and the field he beat today was essentially the same group Not Bourbon beat in the Queen's Plate.

More importantly, Harlem Rocker already beat a really good horse in a fast time in April.

NT

cmorioles · #7 07-13-2008, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

Strange this seems all too familiar, as of today Harlem Rocker is not even stabled at Fort Erie for tommorow's race. Rather than parachuting in as in the Plate Trial fiasco, wouldn't an acclimation period of a few days be prudent off of what happened at Woodbine? Frank, Todd, whoever is calling the shots doesn't seem to be on the right page when it comes to the Rocker.

I think Todd has some idea what he is doing. I suspect Frank made him try the synthetics wanting to win the QP.

Bobby Fischer · #8 07-13-2008, 10:46 PM

HES BACK?

Beating East End tap in this race means so very little in and of itself. You must watch the race and form an opinion and also consider the fractions and final time.

I haven't watched the race and have no idea of the fractions.

NTamm1215 · #9 07-13-2008, 11:00 PM

These were the fractions for the Prince of Wales (1 3/16 Miles)

24.09 47.40 1:11.98 1:37.54 1:56.46

These were the other races at two turns:

Race 3- $7,500 Clm 1 1/16 Miles

24.54 48.38 1:12.65 1:39.15 1:46.20

Race 9- $5,000 Clm 1M 70 Yards

22.80 46.87 1:12.72 1:40.13 1:44.57

NT

CSC · #10 07-13-2008, 11:20 PM

Yes the field was not grade 1 level, yes it wasn't a knockout performance today, but I thought for his first route race over dirt and considering Coa admitted that he perhaps moved earlier than he wanted to, it was a workmanlike effort. The margin of victory really wasn't reflective of the ease in which he won. My only problem is he was incredibly hot on the tote board today making him unbettable, perhaps he is getting too much hype this early, which bothers most bettors that like a horse. The criticism about the final time I can understand, however with no horses of this calibre running this day on this card, it is hard to truly gauge how fast or slow they ran, 1:56 and change for 1 3/16ths is nothing to worry about if you ask me, but obviously we will just have to wait and see how he does at the Spa to see if he is a true router or is he a miler. Coa said he is still very green.

CSC · #11 07-13-2008, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

I think Todd has some idea what he is doing. I suspect Frank made him try the synthetics wanting to win the QP.

He sure knows more than me, I don't think Frank thinks anyone knows more than Frank knows...

ateamstupid · #12 07-14-2008, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by eajinabi

Harlem Rocker seems out of place right now. I have no idea why he is in Fort Erie?? Give him some time off before his blockbuster 4 yo season.

Danzig · #13 07-14-2008, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC

Strange this seems all too familiar, as of today Harlem Rocker is not even stabled at Fort Erie for tommorow's race. Rather than parachuting in as in the Plate Trial fiasco, wouldn't an acclimation period of a few days be prudent off of what happened at Woodbine? Frank, Todd, whoever is calling the shots doesn't seem to be on the right page when it comes to the Rocker.

this race was on dirt, not the dreaded AWT-seems more and more that was the reason for his one (thus far) off the board finish/first loss.

as for why he was at fort erie, he just one the second leg of the canadian triple crown. he's a canadian bred, and i think frank ran him up there to A-try to win some of the canadian classics so that B-he can possibly win canadian horse of the year.

CSC · #14 07-14-2008, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

this race was on dirt, not the dreaded AWT-seems more and more that was the reason for his one (thus far) off the board finish/first loss.

as for why he was at fort erie, he just one the second leg of the canadian triple crown. he's a canadian bred, and i think frank ran him up there to A-try to win some of the canadian classics so that B-he can possibly win canadian horse of the year.

He'll need atleast 3 starts in Canada to be considered for a Sovereign award, I am curious what beyer will be assisgned for this race. My guess is in the 95 range.

blackthroatedwind · #15 07-14-2008, 12:57 PM

A few nimrods took pathetic glee in Harlem Rocker failing on polytrack, while dismissing that as an excuse, yet have been shockingly absent from this thread.

They're probably just not up yet.

the_fat_man · #16 07-14-2008, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

A few nimrods took pathetic glee in Harlem Rocker failing on polytrack, while dismissing that as an excuse, yet have been shockingly absent from this thread.

They're probably just not up yet.

And he truly showed us how great he is by beating that stellar field.
He is a CHAMPION.

EDIT: let me reword this. He hammers horses on dirt that hammered him on POLY. And these horses are not very good on dirt. So, why am I excited?

Danzig · #17 07-14-2008, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

He'll need atleast 3 starts in Canada to be considered for a Sovereign award, I am curious what beyer will be assisgned for this race. My guess is in the 95 range.

two down, one to go then...

i'm not saying it's his, but i can see the thought process behind him running there. his owner is from there, and no doubt wants to promote canadian racing--he just won their 'preakness'.

blackthroatedwind · #18 07-14-2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

And he truly showed us how great he is by beating that stellar field.
He is a CHAMPION.

He's certainly a lot better horse than you have been suggesting.

If it makes you feel better ( or maybe worse ) I was referring to actual nimrods....and not you.

Danzig · #19 07-14-2008, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

And he truly showed us how great he is by beating that stellar field.
He is a CHAMPION.

funny, just a few weeks ago everyone was gushing about the queens plate, with a fantastic finish between not bourbon and ginger brew. the QP winner was in the field for the prince of wales-of course he is only one horse....
i guess not bourbon likes the dirt as much as harlem likes the poly.

CSC · #20 07-14-2008, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

A few nimrods took pathetic glee in Harlem Rocker failing on polytrack, while dismissing that as an excuse, yet have been shockingly absent from this thread.

They're probably just not up yet.