Brown Back to Green?

[King Glorious]

Iavarone is saying that he'd like a return to the grass for Big Brown's next race. He's saying he'd like to get a race around 9/13 with him and even though there's no races that would seem to fit the bill for BB at that time, he expressed confidence that a track would make up a race in order to get him because of the popularity of the horse and how it would increase business at a track for him to be there.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Iavarone is saying that he'd like a return to the grass for Big Brown's next race. He's saying he'd like to get a race around 9/13 with him and even though there's no races that would seem to fit the bill for BB at that time, he expressed confidence that a track would make up a race in order to get him because of the popularity of the horse and how it would increase business at a track for him to be there.

kentucky Downs?

[Gander]

Why couldnt he run in the Grade 1 Man o War at Belmont? The timing would be perfect and so would the turf to synthetic move going into the BC.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Gander

Why couldnt he run in the Grade 1 Man o War at Belmont? The timing would be perfect and so would the turf to synthetic move going into the BC.

no, I think they are looking for a Sunday Break type of race. Paid workout and if he drifts out and interferes with half the field no problem.

[Bravado2112]

Run in a grass race - no real damage if he loses.

Run in the BC Classic on a new synthetic surface - built in excuse if he loses.

2 more races, no real risk to his reputation even if he loses both. Talk about the path of least resistance.

Gotta love the state of racing today...

[Gander]

I would think Big Brown could be a real threat to wire the field in a race like the Man O War. It would depend on what Euro horses show up but in a year that the BC is in warm California, I doubt the best Euros have their sights set on the BC, thus eliminating the need to run at Belmont for a prep.
From what I have seen in the turf division, I just dont see this being that far fetched. Better Talk Now, Grand Courterier, Red Rocks arent exactly killers.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Bravado2112

Run in a grass race - no real damage if he loses.

Run in the BC Classic on a new synthetic surface - built in excuse if he loses.

2 more races, no real risk to his reputation even if he loses both. Talk about the path of least resistance.

Gotta love the state of racing today...

He really dosent have much of a reputation anymore. Even though he won the haskell it was a less than stylistic showing and it did nothing to give anyone the idea that he is anything more than a nice horse. His stud value (fee) only increases if he does something noteworthy like beat Curlin or win the Classic. Winning a grass race is immaterial because US breeders generally wont pay much for a grass sire and the Euros arent going for a BB type. The only way BB salvages his "reputation" is to do something like beat Curlin. He is going to be 3 year old champ not matter what happens but running in some made up turf race wont do anything for him.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Gander

I would think Big Brown could be a real threat to wire the field in a race like the Man O War. It would depend on what Euro horses show up but in a year that the BC is in warm California, I doubt the best Euros have their sights set on the BC, thus eliminating the need to run at Belmont for a prep.
From what I have seen in the turf division, I just dont see this being that far fetched. Better Talk Now, Grand Courterier, Red Rocks arent exactly killers.

The Man O' War was run in July. Red Rocks defeated Curlin in it.

The only turf races of any significance to be run at Belmont in the fall are the Joe Hirsch Turf Classic Invitational on September 27, the Kelso on Sept 28 and the Jamaica (3YO) on October 4.

NT

[Danzig]

is it the cynic in me that makes me think that maybe big brown is suddenly heading towards turf, as curlin won't be leaving dirt again? surely not. i bet it's all just a coincidence.

[Gander]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

The Man O' War was run in July. Red Rocks defeated Curlin in it.

The only turf races of any significance to be run at Belmont in the fall are the Joe Hirsch Turf Classic Invitational on September 27, the Kelso on Sept 28 and the Jamaica (3YO) on October 4.

NT

Sorry, my bad. I meant the Joe Hirsch. The Man O War was the race Red Rocks dusted Curlin in.

I think Big Brown would be hard to catch in such a race.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Gander

Sorry, my bad. I meant the Joe Hirsch. The Man O War was the race Red Rocks dusted Curlin in.

I think Big Brown would be hard to catch in such a race.

are you for real?

[alysheba4]

what you dont think he would have a chance

[Gander]

Who exactly would he have to hold off? Red Rocks, Better Talk Now and Grand Courterier? All nice horses, all really nice horses, but so is Big Brown and the switch back to turf may be key for him. I would think he would have a great chance to win this race. Curlin was 6/5 against this group, so is it that far fetched to see Big Brown at around maybe 3/1? He has after all already proven he can run and run well on the turf.
Sure, his worst 2 races by far were his last two, but maybe 7 weeks off and the change back to the green would perk him up?

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by Gander

Who exactly would he have to hold off? Red Rocks, Better Talk Now and Grand Courterier? All nice horses, all really nice horses, but so is Big Brown and the switch back to turf may be key for him. I would think he would have a great chance to win this race. Curlin was 6/5 against this group, so is it that far fetched to see Big Brown at around maybe 3/1? He has after all already proven he can run and run well on the turf.
Sure, his worst 2 races by far were his last two, but maybe 7 weeks off and the change back to the green would perk him up?

......his turf race at saratoga was HUGE, i dont think his race sunday was as BAD as some of these EXPERTS here say it was. he still ran a sub 49 9 furlong race and showed guts to run down the zito colt.....

[Gander]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

......his turf race at saratoga was HUGE, i dont think his race sunday was as BAD as some of these EXPERTS here say it was. he still ran a sub 49 9 furlong race and showed guts to run down the zito colt.....

I thought it was really gutsy the way he came back to win, but would still have to rate it his 2nd worse race behind that nightmare in the Belmont. Still, he may be best on the turf, we'll probably never know. I think he would be as deserving, if not more deserving of a favorite as Curlin was a few weeks ago in the Man O War.

[MaTH716]

A turf move might make sense. Despite what Dutrow thinks, he would have to be crazy to want a piece of Curlin. Who knows if Curlin runs well on the turf again, then maybe they will couple him with Kip Deville in the BC turf mile. 2 different running styles, and the possible big ego trip for IEAH to run 1-2 in a major race.

[Merlinsky]

Didn't I hear something about the Mass Cap as recently as the Haskell with Big Brown maybe facing Commentator? Then today I read that Curlin's looking at the Woodward followed maybe by...drumroll please...the Mass Cap. Now I see they're talking grass for Big Brown. Sounds like the effort to avoid eating crow is gonna make Team IEAH opt for chicken instead.

[letswastemoney]

big browns feet probably hurt and grass will keep them in one piece

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He really dosent have much of a reputation anymore. Even though he won the haskell it was a less than stylistic showing and it did nothing to give anyone the idea that he is anything more than a nice horse. His stud value (fee) only increases if he does something noteworthy like beat Curlin or win the Classic. Winning a grass race is immaterial because US breeders generally wont pay much for a grass sire and the Euros arent going for a BB type. The only way BB salvages his "reputation" is to do something like beat Curlin. He is going to be 3 year old champ not matter what happens but running in some made up turf race wont do anything for him.

Big Brown could be a better grass horse then dirt horse. Unfortunately will never know .

[Quiet Chris]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Big Brown could be a better grass horse then dirt horse. Unfortunately will never know .

Just like Curlin was going to be.

The fact is IEAH is pretty pathetic only taking on older horses 1x in his entire career and that is on a synthetic. Weak.