russia vs georgia

Danzig · #1 08-12-2008, 04:36 AM

can't help but wonder if it says anything about us as a group, three pages about john 'kerry' having an affair, but nothing posted as yet about the soviet un....er, i mean russia invading georgia.
in a nutshell, a mess over there, and even if we were willing, we are unable to do a thing about it.
should a breakaway province succeed is one thing, a nation being invaded by its larger neighbor is another.

AeWingnut · #2 08-12-2008, 05:18 AM

true

Some say Georgia had it coming. They are accused of ethnic cleansing

oh as a side note

the area is crawling with natural gas and oil

otisotisotis · #3 08-12-2008, 07:45 AM

A major pipeline running through the middle of a pro-western govt.. I'm not sure of all the details, but wasn't there a part of GA. that wanted to rejoin the Russians?

SniperSB23 · #4 08-12-2008, 09:09 AM

We sure are good at securing allies that turn out to be pretty big douchebags, first we ally with the Taliban, then the Iraqis, now this.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #5 08-12-2008, 09:11 AM

when did georgia get u.a.v technoligy.well they are less 1 of them..

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=40d_1208815277

Quiet Chris · #6 08-12-2008, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

can't help but wonder if it says anything about us as a group, three pages about john 'kerry' having an affair, but nothing posted as yet about the soviet un....er, i mean russia invading georgia.
in a nutshell, a mess over there, and even if we were willing, we are unable to do a thing about it.
should a breakaway province succeed is one thing, a nation being invaded by its larger neighbor is another.

It doesn't say anything about anyone except that one involves a US politician that may have been the next Attorney General and the other is none of the business of the US. The US needs to stop getting involved in the events of other countries. The US acts like it is better than these countries but just did the exact same thing to a country in the middle east for their natural resources. What is going on in Georgia is all about natural resources, nothing more.

AeWingnut · #7 08-12-2008, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

We sure are good at securing allies that turn out to be pretty big douchebags, first we ally with the Taliban, then the Iraqis, now this.

we were never allies of the Taliban

SniperSB23 · #8 08-12-2008, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut

we were never allies of the Taliban

We armed and trained them, what is really the difference?

hoovesupsideyourhead · #9 08-12-2008, 12:22 PM

you know who worked for the u.s..in the fight vs the red menace..then strange enough when he and the t ban booted the russians out of afganistan..he wanted to help us..we told him to **** off..

Danzig · #10 08-12-2008, 07:43 PM

i think a lot of this is still some of the residuals of the cold war, and our foreign policy based on 'if the ussr is for it, we're against it'.

as for the taliban...it's my understand that bin laden and his ilk only looked at us as a necessary evil to rid their country of the russians, and then of course they would deal with us...which is essentially what happened.

and yeah, part of georgia wants to break away. georgia wants to be in nato. same old stuff from 30 years ago.

Cannon Shell · #11 08-12-2008, 08:41 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7557049.stm

Danzig · #12 08-12-2008, 08:49 PM

very interesting article.

#13 08-12-2008, 10:13 PM

Putin has is carrying a huge chip on his shoulder for
the Russian people. Another great job at assessing
personalities ("I can do business with this man") by GW.

Seems they are playing bad guy (Putin) good guy (Medvedev).
Hopefully this is Russia flexing muscles and leaving. If not...
Expect for Poland, Ukraine, etc... to be listed on the fast track
for NATO membership.

Danzig · #14 08-13-2008, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Quiet Chris

It doesn't say anything about anyone except that one involves a US politician that may have been the next Attorney General and the other is none of the business of the US. The US needs to stop getting involved in the events of other countries. The US acts like it is better than these countries but just did the exact same thing to a country in the middle east for their natural resources. What is going on in Georgia is all about natural resources, nothing more.

btw, i meant us as in the message board-that none of us had mentioned it-not us as in the country. was not saying we should get in the midst of it, that obviously can't and won't happen.

King Glorious · #15 08-14-2008, 06:33 PM

Pretty interesting how the U.S. was quiet as a church mouse while Georgia was going into South Ossetian areas and killing people and tearing down neighborhoods but the second Russia goes into Georgia, the U.S. is quick to condemn the Russians. What Georgia was doing wasn't effecting Western oil supplies. What Russia is doing possibly could. Sounds kinda like how we didn't do anything while Saddam was killing Kurds but the second he went into Kuwait, he was a murderer that had to be stopped.

dalakhani · #16 08-14-2008, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Pretty interesting how the U.S. was quiet as a church mouse while Georgia was going into South Ossetian areas and killing people and tearing down neighborhoods but the second Russia goes into Georgia, the U.S. is quick to condemn the Russians. What Georgia was doing wasn't effecting Western oil supplies. What Russia is doing possibly could. Sounds kinda like how we didn't do anything while Saddam was killing Kurds but the second he went into Kuwait, he was a murderer that had to be stopped.

LOL. This is so true that you are bound to get ripped to shreds. Enjoy.

SCUDSBROTHER · #17 08-15-2008, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Pretty interesting how the U.S. was quiet as a church mouse while Georgia was going into South Ossetian areas and killing people and tearing down neighborhoods but the second Russia goes into Georgia, the U.S. is quick to condemn the Russians. What Georgia was doing wasn't effecting Western oil supplies. What Russia is doing possibly could. Sounds kinda like how we didn't do anything while Saddam was killing Kurds but the second he went into Kuwait, he was a murderer that had to be stopped.

Some say the Russians set that up(they baited the GEORGIANS to come in) so they could invade like they have done. Who knows? It ain't like Russians tell the truth very often. So, why would you believe them so quickly? Regardless, they have no justification for going into Georgia. Georgia went into one of their own break away areas(South Ossetia.) It's an area with both ethnic Russians n' Ethnic Georgians. Obviously, each ethnic group will lie n' say the other is trying to kill them. They didn't go into Russia. Russia shouldn't have gone into Georgia, and they will get punished economically for doing it. Turks are weighing in:

http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/Ne...0Deepen%20Ties

Turks always think the Russians want to invade them. They think that about everybody who isn't Turk, but they really think it about the Russians.They want the Russians to stay the hell away from those pipelines carrying natural gas /crude oil etc. thru Georgia, and Eastern Turkey. Truth be known, there are no "good guys" in this area of the world. Turks, Georgians, Russians, Kurds, Serbs, etc. etc. are mainly savages that would kill each other given the chance to get away with it.

SniperSB23 · #18 08-15-2008, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

LOL. This is so true that you are bound to get ripped to shreds. Enjoy.

Not really, I already called the Georgians douchebags and no one responded. I think (or at least hope) that everyone realizes the Georgians are as big douchebags in this as anyone.

#19 08-18-2008, 10:19 PM

This is bigger than Georgia being douche bags.

Check out how Armenia, The Urkraine, etc. feel... just a bit nervous? This is calculated muscle flexing. And the Russians have not yet made any serious signs of moving out. With all the oil they have and all the farmland they still have to import beef..., they cant successfully raise their own with very good pasture land in a number of areas. Their food commodities infrastructure is in horrible shape. So its time for a little fun distraction from internal problems. This is a country that could be very wealthy if they had any sort of real business not bullied or coerced by the government. If you want to be rich in Russia, you dont cross Putin in any way. If he says remove that revealing tidbit from the TV best get it done. Putin would love the old Soviet States
returned.

Hopefully they move out soon.
Point well taken: Dont fool with ethnic Russians in Georgia on the border.
Please leave.
And WTF are they doing attacking Abkhazia as well ??? nothing was going on there at all...

hi_im_god · #20 08-18-2008, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

This is bigger than Georgia being douche bags.

Check out how Armenia, The Urkraine, etc. feel... just a bit nervous? This is calculated muscle flexing. And the Russians have not yet made any serious signs of moving out. With all the oil they have and all the farmland they still have to import beef..., they cant successfully raise their own with very good pasture land in a number of areas. Their food commodities infrastructure is in horrible shape. So its time for a little fun distraction from internal problems. This is a country that could be very wealthy if they had any sort of real business not bullied or coerced by the government. If you want to be rich in Russia, you dont cross Putin in any way. If he says remove that revealing tidbit from the TV best get it done. Putin would love the old Soviet States
returned.

Hopefully they move out soon.
Point well taken: Dont fool with ethnic Russians in Georgia on the border.
Please leave.
And WTF are they doing attacking Abkhazia as well ??? nothing was going on there at all...

low hanging fruit.

this whole episode was their invasion of grenada.

we need better allies. georgia got played. i like the part where the georgian's went in after the russian negotiator said he couldn't meet to discuss the situation in s ossentia because of a flat tire. and his spare was flat too.

classic.