Can anyone give me an update on the worlds most exciting horse?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I am of course talking about Motovato.





You guys remember him?

He was that complete talentless bum of a 3yo who couldn't outrun a goat for Todd Pletcher. But - after being transferred into Marty Wolfson's barn - he drew off by 15 lengths and ran a faster Beyer than Big Brown ever did.

I couldn't really include him in the move-up trainer thread with other miracles like Miesque's Approval, Rockerfeller, Ikigai, and Itsabird - because he never won anything more than an allowance race.

But I am curious to know how he is doing? He hasn't raced since the explosive win ... nor has he worked lately.

For those keeping score at home on the Wolfson/Gann team ...

After yesterday's win... Wolfson is now a mere 18-for-29 (62% wins) and $6.02 ROI with all Ed Gann owned horses on dirt.

Basically Gann gave him a couple horses that Pletcher and Sadler couldn't get to run .. and now they're machines.

That 62% win percentage may seem high - but how about the mind-boggling 301% profit on the betting dollar!? They're winning at big prices!

Oh - and by the way - anyone who owns a 2yo should probably send it to Wolfson. He raced just four 2yo's on dirt in all of 2008.

Inspite of only starting four - his runner You Lucky Mann (107) had the highest 2yo Beyer of any male horse in the country last year. his runner Frolic's Dream (105) had the highest Beyer of any female in the country last year.

Frolic's Dream RNA'd at the OBS June sale for just 55K inspite of her fashionable pedigree. OBS June is the cheapest and lowest rated of the four OBS 2yo sales. But hey, Frolic's Dream was real impressive in the training preview ... she only worked 3/5ths of a second slower than FreddyMo's bargain basement buy who's sired by Cappuchino.

You Luckie Mann - who's running Lost in the Fog type figures - sold for less than sales average at OBS March - but did at least look good to me anyway.

But hey, everything has it's limitations. I've heard rumors that Kasept has been in that barn lately ... and I'm predicting a decline in form in that instance.

[slotdirt]

Interesting that he's moving up former Sadler horses.

[dellinger63]

[VOL JACK]

Interesting that he ran off and hid for both Contessa and Marty Miracle, but couldnt hit the board for TP.
However, the competition in his 3 starts for TP were much stiffer than anything he faced in the other 2 races.

[MISTERGEE]

i think he added a tongue tie and the horse improved 80 beyer points. now motovato is retired and working as a childrens pony entertainer in Hialeah.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He was that complete talentless bum of a 3yo who couldn't outrun a goat for Todd Pletcher. But - after being transferred into Marty Wolfson's barn - he drew off by 15 lengths and ran a faster Beyer than Big Brown ever did.

Couldn't happen to a more deserving dude. Between Wolfson and Maker, Pletcher has been bent over real good. I wonder, however, if you were as critical of Pletcher, when he was winning just about everything, as you are of Wolfson.

When Wofson:

1) gets Jelly Roll in the winner's circle
2) gets a stakes win in season out of Jeux de Danse
3) gets a win out of Onoitsmymotherinlaw (did you bet against her at 4:5 last out?)

then I might take notice.

[cakes44]

Give the buy a break. He had the horse for almost 6 weeks after he ran for Pletcher before he got him back on the track. Any trainer worth their salt should be able to move a horse up 37 points in the same time-frame.

[Habersham000]

Maybe Pletcher is just a really bad trainer

Wolfson has been performing miracle after miracle lately....lets see how long this can last

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Interesting that he ran off and hid for both Contessa and Marty Miracle, but couldnt hit the board for TP.
However, the competition in his 3 starts for TP were much stiffer than anything he faced in the other 2 races.

This could be the key. Calder and Delaware are a step down from a graded stakes at CD and allowances at GP. Turnarounds when facing lesser horses are not uncommon, especially with speedier types who can get discouraged and quit with tougher horses. Wish I could see the Bris race ratings to see how the races compared in quality.

[Bobby Fischer]

[quote=the_fat_man

1) gets Jelly Roll in the winner's circle
...





Give em' 48 hours

[rgustafson]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

This could be the key. Calder and Delaware are a step down from a graded stakes at CD and allowances at GP. Turnarounds when facing lesser horses are not uncommon, especially with speedier types who can get discouraged and quit with tougher horses. Wish I could see the Bris race ratings to see how the races compared in quality.

The Bris rating for the races at Delaware and Calder were 112.5 and 112.9

The Bris ratings for the Alw races at Gulfstream were 114.4 and 115.9

The Bris rating for the Bashford-Manor at Churchill was 117.5

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

This could be the key. Calder and Delaware are a step down from a graded stakes at CD and allowances at GP. Turnarounds when facing lesser horses are not uncommon, especially with speedier types who can get discouraged and quit with tougher horses. Wish I could see the Bris race ratings to see how the races compared in quality.

A step down. Not 37 flights.

[Cannon Shell]

I am really surprised by the amount of support that Dutrow and Wolfson are getting from fans and others in the game including some trainers. I assumed that the response would be overwhelmingly positive in favor of Beyers article but it has been mixed. I know I shouldn't be surprised by anything in the sport anymore but I dont know what the trainers named in the Racing Form article about Dutrows displeasure with Beyer were thinking outside of each has a good thing going and would hate to see their name brought up for debate. I am embarrased by the racing game in general when owners flock to these guys and then defend them without having any idea whether or not the guy they are defending is guilty or not. The fans defense is even more laughable since they really have no idea what is going on. I believe that there are a few guys taking a big edge and think that anyone who thinks this not be true is naive or stupid. While it is probably a much lower number than some believe the fact that it exists at all is bad, And the sad truth is that the racing commissions and tracks and other bodies meant to police the sport are mostly woefully underfunded and staffed with less than stellar lineups of investigators.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I am really surprised by the amount of support that Dutrow and Wolfson are getting from fans and others in the game including some trainers. I assumed that the response would be overwhelmingly positive in favor of Beyers article but it has been mixed. I know I shouldn't be surprised by anything in the sport anymore but I dont know what the trainers named in the Racing Form article about Dutrows displeasure with Beyer were thinking outside of each has a good thing going and would hate to see their name brought up for debate. I am embarrased by the racing game in general when owners flock to these guys and then defend them without having any idea whether or not the guy they are defending is guilty or not. The fans defense is even more laughable since they really have no idea what is going on. I believe that there are a few guys taking a big edge and think that anyone who thinks this not be true is naive or stupid. While it is probably a much lower number than some believe the fact that it exists at all is bad, And the sad truth is that the racing commissions and tracks and other bodies meant to police the sport are mostly woefully underfunded and staffed with less than stellar lineups of investigators.

Very, very well said. It doesn't matter how much you cover your eyes and ears and pretend nothing's going on around you, because it generally still is.

NT

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I am really surprised by the amount of support that Dutrow and Wolfson are getting from fans and others in the game including some trainers. I assumed that the response would be overwhelmingly positive in favor of Beyers article but it has been mixed. I know I shouldn't be surprised by anything in the sport anymore but I dont know what the trainers named in the Racing Form article about Dutrows displeasure with Beyer were thinking outside of each has a good thing going and would hate to see their name brought up for debate. I am embarrased by the racing game in general when owners flock to these guys and then defend them without having any idea whether or not the guy they are defending is guilty or not. The fans defense is even more laughable since they really have no idea what is going on. I believe that there are a few guys taking a big edge and think that anyone who thinks this not be true is naive or stupid. While it is probably a much lower number than some believe the fact that it exists at all is bad, And the sad truth is that the racing commissions and tracks and other bodies meant to police the sport are mostly woefully underfunded and staffed with less than stellar lineups of investigators.

Very well said Chuck. I find it hilarious that they dismiss bettors so quick, when in reality, they are probably the most likely to spot the suspicious changes taking place nearly every day around the country.

Some of Wolfson's stuff was laughable, and I was a little disappointed Steve basically just gave him a pulpit from which to speak. No phone calls?

[Danzig]

my husband could find nothing to watch the other day on t.v.-shocking i know...anyway, he stopped on professional bull riding while flipping and flipping thru the channels, and left it on. at any rate, they were talking to a fellow-cowboy, bull rider, idiot-whatever they call him...he was apologizing profusely, and explaining how he had lost his temper at a bull. i guess the guy got throw, didn't win, and took off his mask and threw it at the bull. my point?
he got an $8500 fine for throwing a 2# mask at a 1/2 ton or so bull...

and we wonder why some trainers thumb their nose at the powers that (supposedly) be in horse racing. we have trainers who fight positives for months, who get $500 fines for milkshaking...who call suspensions vacations...and who are back at it a few days later. they get caught talking to asst trainers, take money they didn't earn for races won on suspension-and we wonder at their nerve.

the day anyone defends dutrow is a dark day. the day steve asmussen got his picture taken with eclipse award in hand was one of the worst ever in this sport. the day those two achieved legitimacy would be two of the worst days seen in this sport. they both managed to get the big horse, and it wiped their slate clean. it makes me sick and pisses me off.

These kinds of huge moves need to at least be explained.
Wolfson could come out and say this was a unique situation:
"the horse was blah-blah-blah, so we did blah-blah-blah.
It is a problem easy to miss in many horses and hard to correct
but we accomplished it because of the aforementioned."

And then add how talented the horses really are and the
talent could now be displayed because of the unique
spine realignment that was performed... blah.

Something unique and legal... yes?...has this happened?
Just saying its the same old same old... well he needed rest...
that does not cut it.

[the_fat_man]

I'm still confused. If these guys have such HUGE edges, why don't they work for ALL their horses? I seem to recollect that when Ferraiola claimed a horse it was MONEY 1st time out. Or Oscar, with those multiple wins in succession from the same horse. YET, Wolfson can't get a win out of the RAT Jelly Roll and goes down at 4:5 with Onoitsmymotherinlaw.

Shouldn't he at least get his money back for the juice used on these horses?

I mean, there are certainly cases where JUICE DOESN'T WORK in sports, right?

[MISTERGEE]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I am really surprised by the amount of support that Dutrow and Wolfson are getting from fans and others in the game including some trainers. I assumed that the response would be overwhelmingly positive in favor of Beyers article but it has been mixed. I know I shouldn't be surprised by anything in the sport anymore but I dont know what the trainers named in the Racing Form article about Dutrows displeasure with Beyer were thinking outside of each has a good thing going and would hate to see their name brought up for debate. I am embarrased by the racing game in general when owners flock to these guys and then defend them without having any idea whether or not the guy they are defending is guilty or not. The fans defense is even more laughable since they really have no idea what is going on. I believe that there are a few guys taking a big edge and think that anyone who thinks this not be true is naive or stupid. While it is probably a much lower number than some believe the fact that it exists at all is bad, And the sad truth is that the racing commissions and tracks and other bodies meant to police the sport are mostly woefully underfunded and staffed with less than stellar lineups of investigators.

just curious is it just me or do these miracle turnaround types usually never last more than one season of racing. I never remember these monster turnarounds lasting very long. does this make horse sense based on whatmay or may not being done to show these drastic improvements (besides tongue ties and shoe changes of course) ?

[MISTERGEE]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I'm still confused. If these guys have such HUGE edges, why don't they work for ALL their horses? I seem to recollect that when Ferraiola claimed a horse it was MONEY 1st time out. Or Oscar, with those multiple wins in succession from the same horse. YET, Wolfson can't get a win out of the RAT Jelly Roll and goes down at 4:5 with Onoitsmymotherinlaw.

Shouldn't he at least get his money back for the juice used on these horses?

I mean, there are certainly cases where JUICE DOESN'T WORK in sports, right?

might not look great if they win 100% of races, 40-50% is enough