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Grand National watch
Figured this needed its own thread (since I only keep track of a few on the "when will we be seeing thread" cause I'm mean).
My early picks are strictly sentimental... War, Exotic Dancer, L'Ami, Simon and Darkness but my favorite here is the brillaint and gallant Monk and so shall root for him above all others. (I've never actually watched the Grand National... too many fallers. I can't.) Any thoughts on how this years edition is looking at this early date Brock? No Chance? Hwjb? Anyone else who follows this? Exotic Dancer heads Grand National weights By Racing Post Staff EXOTIC DANCER heads the weights on 11st 10lb for the John Smith's Grand National at Aintree on April 4. Jonjo O'Neill's Lexus Chase winner has been promoted to the top of the handicap after Paul Nicholls officially scratched Cheltenham Gold Cup victor Denman from the race. The champion trainer had informed the BHA's senior handicapper handicapper Phil Smith on Sunday night to give him to adjust the weights. Weights for the John Smith's Grand National EXOTIC DANCER (FR) 9-11-10 Jonjo O'Neill MADISON DU BERLAIS (FR) 8-11-08 David Pipe SNOOPY LOOPY (IRE) 11-11-05 Peter Bowen STAR DE MOHAISON (FR) 8-11-05 Paul Nicholls NOTRE PERE (FR) 8-11-04 Jim Dreaper IRE NOZIC (FR) 8-11-03 Paul Nicholls AIR FORCE ONE (GER) 7-11-02 BCharlie Mann CLOUDY LANE 9-11-02 Donald McCain Jnr AFISTFULLOFDOLLARS (IRE) 11-11-01 Noel Meade IRE WAR OF ATTRITION (IRE) 10-11-01 Mouse Morris IRE CHELSEA HARBOUR (IRE) 9-11-00 Tom Mullins IRE IMPERIAL COMMANDER (IRE) 8-11-00 Nigel Twiston-Davies SNOWY MORNING (IRE) 9-11-00 Willie Mullins IRE CANE BRAKE (IRE) 10-10-13 Tom Taaffe IRE KNOWHERE (IRE) 11-10-13 Nigel Twiston-Davies ROLL ALONG (IRE) 9-10-13 Carl Llewellyn COMPLY OR DIE (IRE) 10-10-12 Pipe GWANAKO (FR) 6-10-12 Paul Nicholls MONKERHOSTIN (FR) 12-10-12 Philip Hobbs OLLIE MAGERN 11-10-12 Nigel Twiston-Davies STAN (NZ) 10-10-12 VenetiaWilliams BLACK APALACHI (IRE) 10-10-11 Dessie Hughes IRE HEAR THE ECHO (IRE) 8-10-11 Mouse Morris IRE ONE COOL COOKIE (IRE) 8-10-11 Charlie Swan IRE PREISTS LEAP (IRE) 9-10-11 Tom O'Leary IRE BALLYFITZ 9-10-10 Nigel Twiston-Davies KING JOHNS CASTLE (IRE) 10-10-10 Arthur Moore IRE MIKO DE BEAUCHENE (FR) 9-10-10 Robert & Sally Alner MY WILL (FR) 9-10-10 Paul Nicholls EUROTREK (IRE) 13-10-09 Paul Nicholls L'ANTARTIQUE (FR) 9-10-09 Ferdy Murphy STATE OF PLAY 9-10-08 Evan Williams BIG FELLA THANKS 7-10-07 Paul Nicholls MON MOME (FR) 9-10-06 VenetiaWilliams OPERA MUNDI (FR) 7-10-06 Paul Nicholls SILVER BIRCH (IRE) 12-10-06 Gordon Elliott IRE BUTLER'S CABIN (FR) 9-10-05 Jonjo O'Neill HOBBS HILL 10-10-05 Charles Egerton OFFSHORE ACCOUNT (IRE) 9-10-05 Charlie Swan IRE PARSONS LEGACY (IRE) 11-10-04 Philip Hobbs REVEILLEZ 10-10-04 Jonjo O'Neill ABBEYBRANEY (IRE) 8-10-03 Howard Johnson ENDLESS POWER (IRE) 9-10-03 Jim Goldie ************************************************** ************** FUNDAMENTALIST (IRE) 11-10-03 Nigel Twiston-Davies GOLDEN FLIGHT (FR) 10-10-03 Nicky Henderson L'AMI (FR) 10-10-03 Enda Bolger IRE SIMON 10-10-03 John Spearing BATTLECRY 8-10-02 Nigel Twiston-Davies CORNISH SETT (IRE) 10-10-02 Paul Nicholls FLEET STREET 10-10-02 Nicky Henderson MUSICA BELLA (FR) 9-10-02 Francois Cottin FR CAN'T BUY TIME (IRE) 7-10-01 Jonjo O'Neill DARKNESS 10-10-01 Charles Egerton IRISH INVADER (IRE) 8-10-01 Willie Mullins IRE RAMBLING MINSTER 11-10-01 Keith Reveley SILVERBURN (IRE) 8-10-01 Paul Nicholls SOUTHERN VIC (IRE) 10-10-01 Ted Walsh IRE TRABOLGAN (IRE) 11-10-01 Nicky Henderson ALWAYS WAINING (IRE) 8-10-00 Peter Bowen GARDE CHAMPETRE (FR) 10-10-00 J Enda Bolger IRE OEDIPE (FR) 7-10-00 Nicky Henderson HOT WELD 10-9-13 Ferdy Murphy KILBEGGAN BLADE 10-9-13 Tom George BROOKLYNBROWNIE (IRE) 10-9-12 Malcolm Jefferson CHARACTER BUILDING (IRE) 9-9-12 John Quinn CONNA CASTLE (IRE) 10-9-12 Jimmy Mangan IRE HIMALAYAN TRAIL 10-9-12 Jimmy Mangan IRE PIRAYA (FR) 6-9-12 David Pipe TUMBLING DICE (IRE) 10-9-12 Tom Taaffe IRE ARTEEA (IRE) 10-9-11 David Pipe CERIUM (FR) 8-9-11 Paul Murphy IDLE TALK (IRE) 10-9-11 Donald McCain Jnr KELAMI (FR) 11-9-11 Lisa Williamson ZABENZ (NZ) 12-9-11 Philip Hobbs ICE TEA (IRE) 9-9-10 Donald McCain Jnr MALJIMAR (IRE) 9-9-10 Nick Williams COMPANERO (IRE) 9-9-09 Johnson Howard Johnson IRON MAN (FR) 8-9-09 Peter Bowen MATTOCK RANGER (IRE) 9-9-09 Noel Meade IRE NICHE MARKET (IRE) 8-9-09 Bob Buckler POMME TIEPY (FR) 6-9-09 Willie Mullins IRE BAGAN (FR) 10-9-08 Martin Todhunter BEAT THE BOYS (IRE) 8-9-08 Nigel Twiston-Davies BIBLE LORD (IRE) 8-9-08 Andrew Turnell D'ARGENT (IRE) 12-9-08 Alan King DIX VILLEZ (FR) 10-9-08 Paul Nolan IRE FLINTOFF (USA) 8-9-08 VenetiaWilliams PATSY HALL (IRE) 9-9-08 Tony Martin IRE HOMER WELLS (IRE) 11-9-07 Willie Mullins IRE IN THE LOOP (IRE) 11-9-07 Roy Wilson IRE KING HARALD (IRE) 11-9-07 Pie Mark Bradstock LOTHIANFALCON 10-9-07 Peter Maddison NADOVER (FR) 8-9-07 Charlie Mann OULART 10-9-07 Dessie Hughes IRE PAK JACK (FR) 9-9-07 Richard Phillips SEYMOURWELD 9-9-07 Charles Pogson GALLANT APPROACH (IRE) 10-9-06 Charles Egerton HOOPY (IRE) 7-9-06 Gordon Elliott IRE NINE DE SIVOLA (FR) 8-9-06 Ferdy Murphy TOM SAYERS (IRE) 11-9-06 Philip Hobbs OODACHEE 10-9-04 Charlie Swan IRE KINGS ADVOCATE (IRE) 9-9-03 Tom Taaffe IRE DUN DOIRE (IRE) 10-9-02 Tony Martin IRE LE TOSCAN (FR) 9-9-02 David Pipe OUT THE BLACK (IRE) 11-9-02 Philip Hobbs PUNTAL (FR) 13-9-02 David Pipe SEA DIVA (IRE) 9-9-02 Dessie Hughes IRE WITHOUT A DOUBT 10-9-02 Carl Llewellyn YOU'RE SPECIAL (USA) 12-9-01 Ferdy Murphy ALEXANDERTHEGREAT (IRE) 11-9-00 VenetiaWilliams EMMA JANE (IRE) 9-9-00 Willie Mullins IRE MILANDEUX MILLE (FR) 7-9-00 David Pipe BALLYTRIM (IRE) 8-8-11 Willie Mullins IRE ROYAL ROSA (FR) 10-8-11 Howard Johnson SANDHURST(IRE) 9-8-11 Edgar Byrne IRE LORD KILLESHANRA (IRE) 10-8-10 Colin Tizzard LYSANDER (GER) 10-8-10 Ian Williams MALKO DE BEAUMONT (FR) 9-8-10 Alan Brown PASS ME BY 10-8-08 Suzy Smith MONTMISERE (FR) 13-8-07 Paul Murphy ************ - Poor guy, jump in peace. http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...t=2215&page=34 Last edited by my miss storm cat : 03-01-2009 at 01:16 PM. |
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Whatever horse carries the number 26 on April 4th will win. I know it sounds mad, but spread the word. I'm trying to get this to be a public plunge.
Other than that, I like State Of Play, but it's very early days
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So you're saying Monk will be the 26? Good to know, thanks.
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I don't know any of these horses but I have to go with Snowy Morning.
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to me, 26 could be around Silver Birch or Butlers Cabin this year - not the worst bet in the world - If its quickish ground, Id fancy Darkness, he has a touch of class, if Its Soft, Black Apalachi all the way..
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Is Snowy Morning still in?
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Denman took a nasty-looking fall two out (I think he'd just have won fwiw), but seems okay.
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What's up with the odds on United tomorrow? 66/1 ? I know it's tough field for her (Celestial Halo and Hardy) but that's insanity. Sticking with Darkness, L'Ami and Preists Leap but if i were actually playing it (I'm not... rooting only) I think I'd throw in My Will too. COME HOME SAFE KIDS. |
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I've got six from the field in the National tomorrow:
State Of Play - maybe not the force of old, but still a classy horse and good enough to win this and should stay. However, I don't like the fact that he's crept over the 11-0 mark. Rambling Minster - a thorough stayer and a bit of a character at home but seems to concentrate on the track. Jumps very well and very honest. Not much going against him and sure to go well. Southern Vic - Hasn't won in a long time, but he's the right type for this race, which so often can be worked out by spotting past trends. This horse passes all of the 'big trends'. He might have preferred softer ground. If Ruby had chosen to ride him, he'd be around 14/1 rather than 33/1. He rates as a bit of Value. Parson's Legacy - Stamina is his forte, and he hasn't got too many miles on the clock. Been kept fresh for this and well fancied by conections. Usually jumps well and has a decent chance at a nice price. Brooklyn Brownie - An outsider with a decent chance. Again he seems to fit the trends. jumps and stays well. Fleet Street - Not only is he number 26, but he fits ALL of the trends I follow for this race. His jockey, Andrew Tinkler gets on very well with him. I think he'll last the distance. He hasn't got the class of some of his rivals, but I don't think this race is all about class. He is a MASSIVE price, but I really do think he could go very well. ******************* Horses I don't think have a chance: My Will - I know he is favourite, but I just cannot see him winning. He doesn't seem like the type that will be suited by the Grand National. Not only do I think he won't win, I don't even think he'll complete the course. L'ami - Another who has been well touted, but he's not getting any younger and is another French bred (like My Will). He should have won at Cheltenham, but looks to be going downhill fast. He couldn't win this race when he was a much better horse, so why should he win it now?? Butler's Cabin - again, he's had his chances and I just don't think he's a horse who is quite up to the task in this race. He looks poorly handicapped to me and I don't think McCoy will gain his first National win this year.
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I've been struggling to find horses that I like this year but come up with 5 this year:
Darkness has a touch of class about him, though I dont like Wayne Hutcheson I backed Mon Mome at 200-1 as he was simply way too big for this. Even though, I work with stats every bloody day, this race is slowly turing into a conditions chase - its only a matter of time when horses over 11 stone start winning regularly. Just to try to prove my point I backed Cloudy Lane at 100-1, even though hes nearly 20 pounds higher than last year. He is a much better horse last year and given what they learned about him last year, he will go a lot closer. Of the rest, Offshore Account (again has that touch of class but wouldnt be a trends horse) and Kilbeggan Blade interest me.. Anyway good luck, Ive already spent way to much money on this race, but if one of the 5 above win (or one of my personal fav horses Zabenz places) Ill be delighted..
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Anyone know where I can watch it? Only have TwinSpires.
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Take a bow, Brock, Take a Bow............ but how on earth did you find that?
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I am going mental now - ridiculous. Sent off fav for the Welsh National a few months ago, I thought he was way too big.. Cant believe it, 209-1, I will never get another winner like that in my life.. Its just paid off the car I bought!!
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I didn't think he had a chance after getting beaten a mile off a 4lb lower mark in this last year. He bucked two big trends today: He's a French bred and had finished unplaced in the race before.
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