Aqu 7th: why no refund on the #10?

[gales0678]

Again I was at OTB , caught the first leg of the late p4 , don't know what happened to the #10 in the gate but clearly there was a horse acting badly and a gate crew member interfering with the #10 when the gate opened.

I feel for anyone who had bet the 10 to win or used him in eactas, how there is not a refund on the #10 i will not know. Half of OTB was kicken and screaming.

And on top of that the $2 tri came back awfully short for the #'s involved , shouldn't it have been closer to double the amount it paid?

Does anyone agree with me and half of the OTB that there should have been a refund and/or that the tri came back short ?

[IrishofNDMan]

Are you always asking for a refund????

[gales0678]

no i lost fair and square at GP , i lost fair and square erlier in the day at the big a

i just posted what i saw and what others around were screaming about in today's 7th , clearly if you saw it there was gate crew interference, i saw it and half of the otb i was at saw it - maybe i'm dumb , maybe steve can get someone from NYRA ( a steward perhaps) on the show to ask him if they even look at those tyoe of situations.

[the_fat_man]

Normally I'd be inclined to agree with the dissenters but since the OTB gang saw it the same way, I'll have to defer to them. I mean, some of the most astute horseplayers in the history of the game are hanging out at my local OTB, puffing away.

[gales0678]

what about the tri fat , a little short for the horses invloved though no?

[blackthroatedwind]

Did the gate crew hold the horse for 30 seconds?

He never came out for God's sake.

[gales0678]

Andy congarts on the pick 4 , nice hit for you, i had the 10 so it didn't matter as even if he was refunded my $ goes to the #2 and i lose anyway

there was a lot of commotion at the otb , people screaming , i don't even think there was an inquiry posted, the reply clearly showed a member of the gate crew right on the horse as the gate opened , the horse went right up into the top of the gate when it opened , clearly he was not going to be interested in running , but, after all that how does the tri come back that short in that field with all the big $ horses out , if the #10 was refunded the tri would have even come back shorter and looked evem more questionable

[mes5107]

Originally Posted by gales0678

but, after all that how does the tri come back that short in that field with all the big $ horses out , if the #10 was refunded the tri would have even come back shorter and looked evem more questionable

Trifecta pool $196,534.00 less 25% takeout leaves $147,400.50. A $1 trifecta ticket paid $989.50, so there were $148.00 worth of winning trifecta tickets and the breakage was $954.50. That's how it paid that much, unless there's some sort of conspiracy and NYRA is cheating, if that's what your getting at.

A lot of people like to throw a bunch of bombs into a trifecta for that lottery-type ticket. It seems that was the case here.

[gales0678]

an old way to see if the numbers make sense, at least by as i was told by someone who used to do this for a living was to take the win price of the horse and multiply it by the place price and you should get the exacta price witihin a range that seems plausible

if we take 58.5 and times it by 8.6 - we get 503

the exacta paid 329 or 65 % of the value of the win x place of the 1st 2 run

take a look at what the exacta's paid in the 8th and 9 th , vs the win x place value and you will see what i mean

the exacta and tri should have paid a lot more

[blackthroatedwind]

I shouldn't need to explain this, but....

The 2 horse somehow went off at 3:5. Now, this was ridiculous and he was probably closer to even money, or even higher, in exotics. Therefore, the exotics will all look low based on the win prices, when in fact they are very much in line with what the win prices would have been had the 2 been around 6:5.

Telling people on this board that you question anything because the thundering herd at an OTB was incensed hardly increases your credibility. This stuff isn't rocket science, it's pure common sense, and sometimes all you need to do is sit back and think about it.

[gales0678]

i've seen favorites come in third with similar horses running 1 +2 and pay a ton more than 1,900

also the #1 blows the 1st turn and runs into a fence with a jockey falling off , lots of strange things in this folks or maybe i am just paranoid

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by cmfhb411

No gate crew interference from what I saw in the head-on.

If you bet the 10.......sorry.

the horse decided to take a seat just as the gates opened.
It couldn't have been forseen.

And there's no difference between that and
when a runner leaps at the start throwing the jock.

the end result would be the same.

You must have seen a very different Head-on replay than I did. Or you are in bad need of an Optomitrist.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by mes5107

Trifecta pool $196,534.00 less 25% takeout leaves $147,400.50. A $1 trifecta ticket paid $989.50, so there were $148.00 worth of winning trifecta tickets and the breakage was $954.50. That's how it paid that much, unless there's some sort of conspiracy and NYRA is cheating, if that's what your getting at.

A lot of people like to throw a bunch of bombs into a trifecta for that lottery-type ticket. It seems that was the case here.

lottery numbers fine , but, those type of players usually have the favorite in their somehwere or at least the 2nd choice

all*all*fav/2nd choice or all*fav/2nd choice*all

[gales0678]

if you look at the ex payout on thus for race 7

$510 paid (win x place of 1st 2 runners - $579)

today in the 7th we get an ex that paid $329 and (a win x place of the 1st 2 runners of $503)

[gales0678]

if yu include the show horse you can see what i mean

on thursday r7 the the w x p x s = 2,196 , the tri paid over 2,600

today the tri paid (1979)less than if you multiplied the win x place x show px's (58.5x8.6x5.10 = 2,565)

[blackthroatedwind]

Instead of all this buffoonery, why not read, and try to understand, my post.

[gales0678]

i am having a hard time understanding it

maybe a crash course with you could help me find the error in my way, i work in mid-town now and could eaisly meet you so that you could explain it to me as i don't comprehend from your above post

i maybe you can walk me thru this race today vs thurs 7th race and explain why there is a difference in the payouts

on thursday race 7 the fav was off the board , the 2nd choice ran 3rd , two bombs ran 1st and 2nd

the ex and the tri payouts were > than the (wxp and wxpxs payouts of the finishers)

today we had the complete opposite the payouts were < than the (wxp and wxpxs of the finishers)

a #'s guy from the bronx , not from saratoga told me that to get an accuarte payout of of what an ex should pay would be to take the win px of the winner times the place price of the runner up , it should come back within a reasonable range - if this is wrong please tell me and i will not use it to check payoffs

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I shouldn't need to explain this, but....

The 2 horse somehow went off at 3:5. Now, this was ridiculous and he was probably closer to even money, or even higher, in exotics. Therefore, the exotics will all look low based on the win prices, when in fact they are very much in line with what the win prices would have been had the 2 been around 6:5.

Telling people on this board that you question anything because the thundering herd at an OTB was incensed hardly increases your credibility. This stuff isn't rocket science, it's pure common sense, and sometimes all you need to do is sit back and think about it.

It's very simple.

[gales0678]

what about the P3? here if you parlayed the 3 winners you get back $1493 for a $2 bet yet the p3 pays only $1007

should the p3 pay out more than the parlay , especially if there is a $58 bomb involved

again i'll point to thursday races , look at the parlay of races 5-6-7 for $2 , it is $65 and change , yet the p3 pays over $193 for $2 dollars almost 3x the amount of the win parlay on the winners!

[AeWingnut]

there is a bunch of wise guy money you were dealing with


anyway

there was an inquiry

the bridle broke on Sanchez's horse and I didn't see what happened with your #10 but they had an inquiry for that too.