Good Jub Obama!

[Antitrust32]

He gets one thing right at least!!! ... lifting restrictions on stem cell research. Great news!

Bush was an idiot for a lot of things, and restricting stem cell research was one of them.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/firs...earch-funding/

Great. People will live longer and the population will spike!

Just what the world needs!!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Great. People will live longer and the population will spike!

Just what the world needs!!

but we can then raise the age at which you can start getting social security...and more paying in for a longer time, just think what that'll do to the budget.
well, it wouldn't do anything. the more the gov makes, the more it spends.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Great. People will live longer and the population will spike!

Just what the world needs!!

Not according to the whack job religious right.... 50 million babies will be murdered to support stem cell research.

[Riot]

This is indeed terrific news. Bush was crazy, the political way he interfered in this. In my eyes, W. Bush is personally and morally responsible for delaying research into cures for diabetes, spinal cord injuries, etc., and breakthroughs in burn treatment, orthopaedics, organ transplantation, etc.

I read that FoxNews link, and of course that article goes off yapping on things that are not exactly true.

Here's a more objective link (run it all together if it breaks):

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...M_Exclude=Juno

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Not according to the whack job religious right.... 50 million babies will be murdered to support stem cell research.

Such as this completely moronic and blatently scientifically ignorant statement from Rep. Eric Cantor?

On Sunday, Rep. Eric Cantor, the No. 2 Republican in the House, said the White House should focus instead on the economy, not on the long-simmering and divisive debate over stem cells.

"Frankly, federal funding of embryonic stem cell research can bring on embryo harvesting, perhaps even human cloning that occurs," he said Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union." "We don't want that. ... And certainly that is something that we ought to be talking about, but let's take care of business first. People are out of jobs."

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Not according to the whack job religious right.... 50 million babies will be murdered to support stem cell research.

If it is 50 million future liberals I am in total support

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

This is indeed terrific news. Bush was crazy, the political way he interfered in this. In my eyes, W. Bush is personally and morally responsible for delaying research into cures for diabetes, spinal cord injuries, etc., and breakthroughs in burn treatment, orthopaedics, organ transplantation, etc.

I read that FoxNews link, and of course that article goes off yapping on things that are not exactly true.

Here's a more objective link (run it all together if it breaks):

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...M_Exclude=Juno

What exactly wasnt true in that link? A more objective link? No a more liberal papers link.

[Cannon Shell]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123621571370535625.html

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Cardus

There was no federal funding of embryonic stem cell research prior to George W. Bush's presidency. (Clinton had lifted the ban for one year but rescinded that order.) So how is it that Bush is such a moral wretch for being the first president to allow federal funding? Clinton must have been infinitely more evil than Bush, right? The level of idiocy -- or intellecutal dishonesty stemming from political persuasion -- from embryonic stem cell research proponents is enormous on this point.

Scientists were forced in a good way to find other , maybe even better research with stem cells because the federal government didnt pay for embryonic research. Just because the federal government didnt pay for the research doesnt mean that there wasnt any happening , it just meant that instead of tax dollars paying for it , it was most ikely privately funded.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Honu

Scientists were forced in a good way to find other , maybe even better research with stem cells because the federal government didnt pay for embryonic research. Just because the federal government didnt pay for the research doesnt mean that there wasnt any happening , it just meant that instead of tax dollars paying for it , it was most ikely privately funded.

or in otherwards more efficently and responsibily funded.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Cardus

I understand that very well; I agree with you.

And I was agreeing with you . My father just had some stem cell treatment for his Multiple Myloma (there is no cure) he is in remission and there is no sign of the cancer, for now, they actually took stem cells from his own body and froze them and then re-entered them back into his body via his sternum after they zapped him down to nothing with radiation.

[timmgirvan]

There is very strong evidence that shows ADULT stem cells are more usable in genetic work. Last week, there was a warning about infant cells being unable to fight off disease or something akin to that.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

or in otherwards more efficently and responsibily funded.

Exactly , we are headed down a pretty scarey road for our country with all the federaly funded programs that are being enacted.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What exactly wasnt true in that link? A more objective link? No a more liberal papers link.

What isn't "exactly true" is the factual information the article avoids giving the readers (until a half-azzed way in the last sentence).

If FoxNews said the whole truth right up front, in the first paragraphs as they should, and stated it clearly, they couldn't then fill the body of the article with silly, imagination-based, politician fear-quotes.

But the issue remains controversial since days-old embryos must be destroyed to obtain the cells.

These are embryos that have been already destroyed and are headed for the trash bin.

These embryos will hit the trash bin whether stem cell research exists or not.

No embryos are destroyed simply for stem-cell research.


This is a science emphasis article. Or should be.

FoxNews turns it into political fodder. Just like George W. did with the topic.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Honu

Scientists were forced in a good way to find other , maybe even better research with stem cells because the federal government didnt pay for embryonic research. Just because the federal government didnt pay for the research doesnt mean that there wasnt any happening , it just meant that instead of tax dollars paying for it , it was most ikely privately funded.

Do you think that the US Government should never fund science?

Originally Posted by Honu

And I was agreeing with you . My father just had some stem cell treatment for his Multiple Myloma (there is no cure) he is in remission and there is no sign of the cancer, for now, they actually took stem cells from his own body and froze them and then re-entered them back into his body via his sternum after they zapped him down to nothing with radiation.

And there is no way, absolutely no way, your father
would have received this treatement unless basic research
way back in the 60's-70's FUNDED COMPLETELY by the federal
government. The federal government sets the table in basic
research, the private companies spawn and feed from this.
This has been going on for a very long time in this country.
Sorry to disappoint with the news.

Next time anyone has a loved one that goes in for a bypass,
or actually needs any coronary work, please refuse it.
Refuse it because the basic research was FUNDED BY THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT on dogs. THis set the stage way back for
private companies to create fancy valves and methods we see today.

HUGE misconceptions about how basic Science works
in this country. FEDERAL GRANTS for basic research
is ABSOLUTELY necessary for this country to stay in
the lead in Science.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pgardn

FEDERAL GRANTS for basic research
is ABSOLUTELY necessary for this country to stay in
the lead in Science.

We are no longer in the lead in science. Many of our best scientific brains have been fleeing to other countries. Countries that don't confuse science and politics as one and the same.

Originally Posted by Riot

We are no longer in the lead in science. Many of our best scientific brains have been fleeing to other countries. Countries that don't confuse science and politics as one and the same.

We have lost some very good scientists to Europe
on basic research with atoms.

But overall, we are still way ahead of the game.
Way ahead. And we will continue to be as long
as our government plays a basic role.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

What isn't "exactly true" is the factual information the article avoids giving the readers (until a half-azzed way in the last sentence).

If FoxNews said the whole truth right up front, in the first paragraphs as they should, and stated it clearly, they couldn't then fill the body of the article with silly, imagination-based, politician fear-quotes.



These are embryos that have been already destroyed and are headed for the trash bin.

These embryos will hit the trash bin whether stem cell research exists or not.

No embryos are destroyed simply for stem-cell research.


This is a science emphasis article. Or should be.

FoxNews turns it into political fodder. Just like George W. did with the topic.

Are you serious? A Science emphasis article? You think the stem cell issue is about science?

They quote politicians on both sides because this is a POLITICAL story! Why is this hard to understand? Unbelievable....