More good news for horseman from CDI

[Cannon Shell]

http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/il...rsemen-beware/

They just keep coming up with new ways to basically steal our money. Having ADW's AT the track? Some partner. Yeah keep blaming horseman for the issues...

Uh I'm the last guy to take sides with Churchill but this seems like an issue that was overlooked by the horsemen and now you're all going to suffer for it.

[PSH]

CDI is no friend of the horse trainers and owners.
Without casinos at these tracks we will see purse levels decrease significantly at CD and AP. Already started to see this happen at CD last year. If it gets really bad it will force trainers and their owners to pack their bags and go elsewhere ..... We also might see other tracks on the fringe go the way of Bay Meadows in the future....

[Scav]

Originally Posted by PSH

CDI is no friend of the horse trainers and owners.
Without casinos at these tracks we will see purse levels decrease significantly at CD and AP. Already started to see this happen at CD last year. If it gets really bad it will force trainers and their owners to pack their bags and go elsewhere ..... We also might see other tracks on the fringe go the way of Bay Meadows in the future....

Arlington's purses are set to grow 30% this year, this is an ADW issue that will probably never pass

And, in California, you can make deposits into your TVG account on-track, so this isn't new to the industry

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Uh I'm the last guy to take sides with Churchill but this seems like an issue that was overlooked by the horsemen and now you're all going to suffer for it.

If someone steals stuff from your house it doesnt make them any less of a criminal if you left the door unlocked.

[justindew]

How did the horsemen ever get included in these discussions anyway? Why isn't this an issue between the tracks and the owners? Aren't trainers essentially employees of the owners to some degree?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by justindew

How did the horsemen ever get included in these discussions anyway? Why isn't this an issue between the tracks and the owners? Aren't trainers essentially employees of the owners to some degree?

This is the exact thought that has caused all these problems. Until tracks realize that they all have the same sized dick and are a TEAM, nothing will change. To the tracks, there is a heirarchy.

One can't do without the other. ADW's need both tracks and horseman, horseman needs tracks and tracks need horseman

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by justindew

How did the horsemen ever get included in these discussions anyway? Why isn't this an issue between the tracks and the owners? Aren't trainers essentially employees of the owners to some degree?

Horsemen includes owners I believe.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by justindew

How did the horsemen ever get included in these discussions anyway? Why isn't this an issue between the tracks and the owners? Aren't trainers essentially employees of the owners to some degree?

This is an ridiculous notion. Is your stockbroker an employee?

Perhaps if you understood the term "horseman" you would realize that the vast majority of horseman's groups included both trainers AND owners. In KY everyone that gets an owner or trainers license is a voting member of the HBPA and the other horsemans organization (KTA) is open to both also for $10 annual dues.

The issue at hand is the deceptive practices of CDI to funnel ontrack handle to their ADW. In doing so they treat us as competitors. The system is screwed up as it is, this makes it even more inequitable.

And if you notice that the heavy lifting in the slots issue in KY is being done by the horseman, Turfway, Ellis and Keeneland. Why is that not surprising? The fact is that it is a good thing as CDI would surely do or say something to set the process back as they have done before.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If someone steals stuff from your house it doesnt make them any less of a criminal if you left the door unlocked.

So what you're saying is the horsemen own the facility. Got it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

So what you're saying is the horsemen own the facility. Got it.

No the horseman own the product they are selling. Why is this a hard concept? The traditional method of splitting the proceeds of a bet is 1/3 to the track, 1/3rd to the horseman and 1/3 to the state. Under the tracks ownership of ADW's the splits are scrambled with only the track benefiting to the detriment of the other parties.

[justindew]

The informative answer.....

Originally Posted by Scurlogue Champ

Horsemen includes owners I believe.

And the unnecessarily argumentative answer....

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This is an ridiculous notion. Is your stockbroker an employee?

Perhaps if you understood the term "horseman" you would realize that the vast majority of horseman's groups included both trainers AND owners.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No the horseman own the product they are selling. Why is this a hard concept? The traditional method of splitting the proceeds of a bet is 1/3 to the track, 1/3rd to the horseman and 1/3 to the state. Under the tracks ownership of ADW's the splits are scrambled with only the track benefiting to the detriment of the other parties.

Yes and that happened because the horseman and the state don't have competent leadership. It's not like ADW's are a brand new concept.

Because of this epic incompetence the horse player always gets hosed. We're f.ucking sick of it. Stop being a bunch of f.ucktards and get your s.hit together. Hire someone to lead you that isn't stuck in the 19th century.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Yes and that happened because the horseman and the state don't have competent leadership. It's not like ADW's are a brand new concept.

Because of this epic incompetence the horse player always gets hosed. We're f.ucking sick of it. Stop being a bunch of f.ucktards and get your s.hit together. Hire someone to lead you that isn't stuck in the 19th century.

When you deal with a disingenuous group like CDI who acts solely in its own interests and in a manner inconsistent with the overall health of the game it is hard to get shi t together. They want to squeeze more out of the shrinking dollars instead of trying to work together with horseman AND horseplayers in developing new sources of revenue via realistic new bets and competitive racing. The culture of CDI is the same as the greedy schmucks on Wall Street that everyone goes nuts about. They are mortgaging the future of horseracing on them getting alternate sources of gaming. There is no other reason that they have developed the scorched earth strategy that they are currently employing. While I believe that slots are necessary for a state like KY to compete on an equal playing field with the surrounding states, it is scary to think that these people would sell the game down the river if they could squeeze one cent more out of it. The racing product at CD was seriously off last year and the early signs out already are that not much will change this year as outfits have already turned in stalls to go to other locations. IN Downs is slowly adding the casino money to purses or the decline would be even more dramatic. While it would seem like a good thing for a trainer or owner in the short term, it is a trend that will seemingly continue which will be bad in the longer term.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by justindew

The informative answer.....



And the unnecessarily argumentative answer....

Ask a stupid question...

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

When you deal with a disingenuous group like CDI who acts solely in its own interests and in a manner inconsistent with the overall health of the game it is hard to get shi t together. They want to squeeze more out of the shrinking dollars instead of trying to work together with horseman AND horseplayers in developing new sources of revenue via realistic new bets and competitive racing. The culture of CDI is the same as the greedy schmucks on Wall Street that everyone goes nuts about. They are mortgaging the future of horseracing on them getting alternate sources of gaming. There is no other reason that they have developed the scorched earth strategy that they are currently employing. While I believe that slots are necessary for a state like KY to compete on an equal playing field with the surrounding states, it is scary to think that these people would sell the game down the river if they could squeeze one cent more out of it. The racing product at CD was seriously off last year and the early signs out already are that not much will change this year as outfits have already turned in stalls to go to other locations. IN Downs is slowly adding the casino money to purses or the decline would be even more dramatic. While it would seem like a good thing for a trainer or owner in the short term, it is a trend that will seemingly continue which will be bad in the longer term.

I'd much rather see the federal government ban slots and table gaming in all states except Jersey and Nevada. Ban the reservations too.

It's just sickening to think that Indiana Downs is going to have $35,000 state bred races. It's not right and it needs to be stopped.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

I'd much rather see the federal government ban slots and table gaming in all states except Jersey and Nevada. Ban the reservations too.

It's just sickening to think that Indiana Downs is going to have $35,000 state bred races. It's not right and it needs to be stopped.

Not that it is a bad idea but it is far too late for that

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Not that it is a bad idea but it is far too late for that

True. It's only going to get worse. Churchill will put in a synthetic surface soon. They're already sucking Great Britain's dick with that retarded prep race.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

True. It's only going to get worse. Churchill will put in a synthetic surface soon. They're already sucking Great Britain's dick with that retarded prep race.

if it didnt cost so much they would already have done it.

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

if it didnt cost so much they would already have done it.

They'll end up doing it.