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03-26-2009, 10:19 AM
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2009 Freshman Sires
We are 8 days away from Keeneland opening day and the start of 2YO racing. Something I've tried to learn more about in the past few years is freshman sires- for example, anyone who picked up quickly on the precocity of the Lion Hearts and Tapits last year would have made a LOT of money. They were winning early and often, frequently at big prices. Here's the list of freshman sires for 2009. Obviously there are some big names (AA, Ghostzapper, Leroi, RHT)... I'm guessing the early ones will be Bwana Charlie, Limehouse, Consolidator.
Additionally, has there ever been two full brothers entering stud at the same time? Afleet Alex Bull Market Bwana Charlie Castledale Closing Argument Consolidator Crafty Shaw Dance With Ravens Eddington Eurosilver Eye of the Tiger Forest Danger Ghostzapper Grand Reward Kela Kittens Joy Leroidesanimaux Limehouse Mingun Minister’s Wild Cat North Light Offlee Wild Oratory Pollard’s Vision Powerscourt Purge Rock Hard Ten Roman Ruler Saint Liam Southern Image State City Taste of Paradise Unforgettable Max Value Plus Wando Wildcat Heir Found this guide which could be useful. http://www.ironmaidensthoroughbreds....%20031209A.pdf
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03-26-2009, 12:49 PM
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Wildcat Heir and Consolidator both have some quick 2yo's. They would be the two most obvious sires that might fly under the bettors radar imo.
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03-26-2009, 02:09 PM
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What have you seen from the Limehouse 2YO's? Probably smallish and quick?
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03-26-2009, 02:33 PM
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I certainly haven't seen a single Limehouse I'd be that interested in betting if they debuted in an early season MSW race at a fairly major circuit.
I think I've only watched 5 or so of them so far and he has over a hundred in this crop. Still, those would figure to be five of his better ones based on sales placement and that I believe all of them sold over his avg as yearlings.
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03-26-2009, 02:57 PM
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DrugS, what do you think of Closing Argument?
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03-26-2009, 03:05 PM
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For what it's worth, here's the freshman sires who had multiple runners sell at OBS March and their averages. From a stud fee/sale price perspective, Closing Argument and Wildcat Heir stick out.
sire avg count Ghostzapper 175,667 3 Southern Image 175,000 2 Rock Hard Ten 160,000 3 Forest Danger 123,000 4 Value Plus 99,250 4 Closing Argument 93,167 6 Wildcat Heir 70,833 6 Eddington 70,000 2 Grand Reward 67,500 8 Saint Liam 65,000 2 Eurosilver 59,000 3 Purge 51,667 3 Roman Ruler 40,250 4 Afleet Alex 38,333 3
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03-26-2009, 03:27 PM
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He was actually once sold for just 10K as Jan yearling so he's probably not the most impressive looking horse ever. I'd be a little skeptical of him. I realize he has a great sprinter pedigree and won his debut at Saratoga going just 5fs - and managed to run as good as anyone when 2nd in a low rated Kentucky Derby. I haven't been that impressed with his 2yo's I've watched. I know Baffert bought one of them for 240K .. but I wasn't exactly wow'd with that one.
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03-26-2009, 07:59 PM
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03-26-2009, 08:00 PM
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03-26-2009, 08:00 PM
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Was at March OBS both days - Of the few we went through, the Wildcat Heirs and the Grand Rewards definitely look the part - GZ's, after practically being given away at Adena were a little more appreciated, The Rock Hard Ten's were remarkably on the smallish side, Limehouse's were unimpressive looking.
Spent time out at Niall Brennan's and Bridlewood as well.... the Rockport Harbor yearlings I saw are amazing
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03-26-2009, 08:07 PM
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Purge was either very good or downright awful in all of his races. Some of his have looked decent.
Hard to expect much from Wando. I think Midas Eyes has 2yo's this year ... though only 35 of them. Another old Gann/Frankel buy up in Madaglia D' Oro has been very solid at stud. Midas Eyes won his 3rd career start in the Swale, off a long layoff, in track record time on the old GP track with a 110 Beyer. I think Posse and Whywhywhy were 2nd and 3rd beaten ten and fifteen lengths respectively in a nine or ten horse field. Just a mind-boggling performance. Both Whywhywhy and Posse have each sired a couple Graded Stakes winners. All of Midas Eyes yearlings sold like they have cancer last year. Fast, talented, Grade 1 winner by a Belmont Stakes winning sire and he already seems 100% written off before a single horse of his has ever hit the track.
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03-26-2009, 08:13 PM
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Thx Lauren
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03-26-2009, 08:17 PM
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03-26-2009, 08:18 PM
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03-26-2009, 09:01 PM
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Most of the absolutely exceptional class of 1997 has been a bust at stud except for two. One of them has been very good and the other great. Who am I thinking of?
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03-26-2009, 09:52 PM
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next year
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