Gettng Tough with North Korea

[dellinger63]

The U.S. is also deploying missile-defense weapons to Hawaii that would theoretically be capable of shooting down a North Korean missile, should such an order be given, he said.

"We do have some concerns if they were to launch a missile...in the direction of Hawaii," Mr. Gates said. "We are in a good position, should it become necessary, to protect American territory."

The Obama administration, meanwhile, would have to choose whether to attempt to shoot down the missile, a technically complicated procedure with no guarantee of success. An American failure would embarrass Washington, embolden Pyongyang and potentially encourage Asian allies like Japan to take stronger measures of their own against North Korea.

Oh my... So an order has to be given to shoot down the missle? Should it not be policy for those manning the system to shoot down a missle headed for Hawaii? And 'we have some concerns?' Are you firggin kiddin me? Concerns?? They may not want to shoot it down for fear of failure and embarrassment?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124535285705228571.html

[dellinger63]

Yea OB foreign policy is complex, complexly convoluted. IMO

[Oaklawnfan]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

The U.S. is also deploying missile-defense weapons to Hawaii that would theoretically be capable of shooting down a North Korean missile, should such an order be given, he said.

"We do have some concerns if they were to launch a missile...in the direction of Hawaii," Mr. Gates said. "We are in a good position, should it become necessary, to protect American territory."

The Obama administration, meanwhile, would have to choose whether to attempt to shoot down the missile, a technically complicated procedure with no guarantee of success. An American failure would embarrass Washington, embolden Pyongyang and potentially encourage Asian allies like Japan to take stronger measures of their own against North Korea.

Oh my... So an order has to be given to shoot down the missle? Should it not be policy for those manning the system to shoot down a missle headed for Hawaii? And 'we have some concerns?' Are you firggin kiddin me? Concerns?? They may not want to shoot it down for fear of failure and embarrassment?

Stars Wars is locked and loaded at the Pacific Missile Range on the West Coast of Kauai. Of course since they've re-opened those vacation bungaloes along their beachfront they're spread a little thin what with the room service and all.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

The U.S. is also deploying missile-defense weapons to Hawaii that would theoretically be capable of shooting down a North Korean missile, should such an order be given, he said.

"We do have some concerns if they were to launch a missile...in the direction of Hawaii," Mr. Gates said. "We are in a good position, should it become necessary, to protect American territory."

The Obama administration, meanwhile, would have to choose whether to attempt to shoot down the missile, a technically complicated procedure with no guarantee of success. An American failure would embarrass Washington, embolden Pyongyang and potentially encourage Asian allies like Japan to take stronger measures of their own against North Korea.

Oh my... So an order has to be given to shoot down the missle? Should it not be policy for those manning the system to shoot down a missle headed for Hawaii? And 'we have some concerns?' Are you firggin kiddin me? Concerns?? They may not want to shoot it down for fear of failure and embarrassment?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124535285705228571.html

North Korea is not a direct threat to the US, the nuclear component is a resource to their county not unlike oil is to the Saudis, the danger is where and who they might sell this technology to. They have very little in natural resources and this Nuclear threat makes them players on the world stage, they no doubt want to profit from this just as they will profit from the kidnapping of the 2 American reporters, one that is Lisa Ling's sister. As dispictable as this might be, they are playing their hand quite craftily.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by CSC

North Korea is not a direct threat to the US, the nuclear component is a resource to their county not unlike oil is to the Saudis, the danger is where and who they might sell this technology to. They have very little in natural resources and this Nuclear threat makes them players on the world stage, they no doubt want to profit from this just as they will profit from the kidnapping of the 2 American reporters, one that is Lisa Ling's sister. As dispictable as this might be, they are playing their hand quite craftily.

From Jimmy Carter's new book on N Korea? And if those girl's were kidnaped it would be all over by now not just another statement based again on hope!! Those girl's were over the border doing some kind of negative story and got caught. IMO Now they are doing their time and because of their foolish actions, partially due , directly or indirectly to Al Gore have placed us in a no win situation.

Heard Al is planning a hunger strike for an hour each day 3am-4am until they're returned. My question is why the media isn't hounding him for his insight and updated info daily. Imagine if say Dick Chaney or Karl Rove were in Al's shoes for this one?

[johnny pinwheel]

n korea, gee, i'm scared. better get provisions for the old bomb shelter. honey, cancel my club house seats for saratoga.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

n korea, gee, i'm scared. better get provisions for the old bomb shelter. honey, cancel my club house seats for saratoga.

12 hiroshima sized nukes dropped on the 12 north american rail hubs ends america. whatever fresh food was in your urban grocery store and the warehouse they got it from is the last fresh food you'll ever see.

n. korea isn't there yet. but this isn't a small issue. the devolution of nuclear and icbm technology is now inevitable and should have everyone crapping their pants. it's not just n. korea. and it's not just iran.

dell just wanted another reason to mock obama. and the idea that we blame reporters for trying to report is so wrong headed it really doesn't require a response.

but he accidently hit a real issue in his semi-random shotgun approach.

n. korea really is the land of no good options.

[joeydb]

Don't worry -- word is that Kim Jong Il was very moved by Obama's recent worldwide apology tour.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Don't worry -- word is that Kim Jong Il was very moved by Obama's recent worldwide apology tour.

we should try that axis of evil stuff again. that seemed to have stopped them in their tracks.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

From Jimmy Carter's new book on N Korea? And if those girl's were kidnaped it would be all over by now not just another statement based again on hope!! Those girl's were over the border doing some kind of negative story and got caught. IMO Now they are doing their time and because of their foolish actions, partially due , directly or indirectly to Al Gore have placed us in a no win situation.

Heard Al is planning a hunger strike for an hour each day 3am-4am until they're returned. My question is why the media isn't hounding him for his insight and updated info daily. Imagine if say Dick Chaney or Karl Rove were in Al's shoes for this one?

Hasn't Al been sainted by now? I think someone should take him on regarding the issue of global warming, this viewpoint is so one sided that everyone seems to believe it is the gospel.

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

n. korea really is the land of no good options.

This is really the key.
They are boxed in.
What the heck happens with a country
so destitute and can create an enormous
amount of trouble?

Hope the old man dies soon and someone sane
takes his place. All these N.Koreans start
starving when sanctions take hold,
do they lash out... what?

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

we should try that axis of evil stuff again. that seemed to have stopped them in their tracks.

Sad thing is it's STILL more than Obama will do.

Originally Posted by joeydb

Sad thing is it's STILL more than Obama will do.

What exactly is he supposed to do?

[joeydb]

Something other than just watching North Korea ship around the material for making nuclear devices.

How about scaring them for a change instead of the other way around.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by pgardn

What exactly is he supposed to do?

Call on the ghost of Nevill Chamberlain

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Call on the ghost of Nevill Chamberlain

He's currently haunting the body of Jimmy Carter.

How do we scare them?
Be specific, what do you do?

They are militarily strong.
They could take out South Korea
in a heartbeat and possibly tear Japan up.
They are a dying dog anyway with nothing to lose,
how do you scare them?

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Call on the ghost of Nevill Chamberlain

Yes indeed,
I would equate N.Korea with pre WWII Germany...
cmon.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by pgardn

How do we scare them?
Be specific, what do you do?

They are militarily strong.
They could take out South Korea
in a heartbeat and possibly tear Japan up.
They are a dying dog anyway with nothing to lose,
how do you scare them?

Kim has a heart attack? The suspected ship sinks at the same time and least of all when that missle goes off on the 4rth it gets blown out of the sky before it gets near to Japan. That's a few things. But I'd also send the Pres to the shores where the missle would hit to show we're safe and offer Al Gore for his two employees.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by pgardn

How do we scare them?
Be specific, what do you do?

They are militarily strong.
They could take out South Korea
in a heartbeat and possibly tear Japan up.
They are a dying dog anyway with nothing to lose,
how do you scare them?

I'm sure there are a few things we can do. One possibility is parking a couple of nuclear subs off of North Korea, assuring them that should they be stupid enough to launch anything hostile, they will not live to see it hit the ground. Not only will they die, they won't even know if their attack worked at all.

Sometimes you just have to bloody the bully's nose to stop the B.S. And in the long term, you arm Japan nuclearly and South Korea with ABM's to bring balance to the region, unlike now with South Korea being covered only by our umbrella, and with China being the only big guy in the neighborhood.