Bo Rail gets the boot on Mine that Bird

kgar311 · #1 07-02-2009, 04:40 PM

http://www.saratogian.com/articles/2...4779426468.txt

declansharbor · #2 07-02-2009, 04:45 PM

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30507

pointman · #3 07-02-2009, 04:48 PM

Can't fault the Bird's connections, Borel should have been given the Bird already. Lets face it, it is not like Borel is such a great rider that they should be at his whim with a horse of this quality and there are plenty of better riders who will commit to this horse. Good for Wooley and company for this move.

letswastemoney · #4 07-02-2009, 05:21 PM

It's not everyday that a rider doesn't want a horse that finishes in the money in all 3 triple crown events. Wow.

eajinabi · #5 07-02-2009, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by pointman

Can fault the Bird's connections, The Bird should have been given to Borel already. Lets face it, it is not like The Bird is such a great horse that they should be at his whim with a jockey of this quality and there are plenty of better horses who Borel will commit to. Good for Borel and company for this move.

FTFY

jwkniska · #6 07-04-2009, 02:02 PM

Per HRTV. Leparoux is now on Mine That Bird

10 pnt move up · #7 07-04-2009, 02:03 PM

definitely an upgrade

chucklestheclown · #8 07-08-2009, 01:12 AM

Thought it was Mike Smith?

johnny pinwheel · #9 07-08-2009, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by pointman

Can't fault the Bird's connections, Borel should have been given the Bird already. Lets face it, it is not like Borel is such a great rider that they should be at his whim with a horse of this quality and there are plenty of better riders who will commit to this horse. Good for Wooley and company for this move.

right on! what rider is worth getting jerked around on. the horse is a major player with any jockey. people get carried away with the rider, the horse does the running its not like MTB is on borels back! plus, besides CD borel is pretty average!

pointman · #10 07-08-2009, 08:42 AM

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FTFY

Yeah, a horse that wins the Kentucky Derby and places in the Preakness and Belmont really can't by that good. Are you one of those that bets "Borail" on any horse he gets on?

CSC · #11 07-08-2009, 09:17 AM

Chantal Sutherland - Casey Lambert - Calvin Borel - Mike Smith...

Horse hasn't had much luck with riders...what an average group.

10 pnt move up · #12 07-08-2009, 11:18 AM

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Chantal Sutherland - Casey Lambert - Calvin Borel - Mike Smith...

Horse hasn't had much luck with riders...what an average group.

what an average horse

CSC · #13 07-08-2009, 11:39 AM

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what an average horse

This year? I think he's done more than to be considered an average horse. No one is in the league of Rachel Alexandra(my unbiased viewpoint) 'halo effect' or not.

Antitrust32 · #14 07-08-2009, 11:50 AM

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what an average horse

yes, average horses always finish in the money in all three triple crown events.. including winning the main one...

Not a "great" horse... but far above average!

10 pnt move up · #15 07-08-2009, 11:56 AM

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yes, average horses always finish in the money in all three triple crown events.. including winning the main one...

Not a "great" horse... but far above average!

As horses who hit the board in all three triple crown races, a very nice achievement in itself, he is average. I dare you to name horses who have done that, that you would say are worse then he is...that makes him average relative to his paper record in my book.

I love it when people want to just read a post, they know the context it was used, but reply as if they dont. Its pretty obvious compared to the 5k claimer at River Downs he is exceptional, duh....but he is average historically compared to others with similar accomplishments. I would take it a step further and say he is average compared to the best horses in his generation, that would be horses like Zenyatta and Rachael Alexandra.

Antitrust32 · #16 07-08-2009, 12:00 PM

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As horses who hit the board in all three triple crown races, a very nice achievement in itself, he is average. I dare you to name horses who have done that, that you would say are worse then he is...that makes him average relative to his paper record in my book.

I love it when people want to just read a post, they know the context it was used, but reply as if they dont. Its pretty obvious compared to the 5k claimer at River Downs he is exceptional, duh....but he is average historically compared to others with similar accomplishments. I would take it a step further and say he is average compared to the best horses in his generation, that would be horses like Zenyatta and Rachael Alexandra.

fine.. he is an average Kentucky Derby winner

... and its half way through the 3yo season so he may turn out to be a top quality Kentucky Derby winner or just stay average.

While I think Rachel is a MUCH better racehorse... I'll wait til they run against each other a few more times to make up my mind.. there was only a length seperating them at the finish (though Rachel's trip was MUCH more taxing).

And while Zenyatta may be better than both.. I will not say that because she runs against chicken $hit every race and it cant be determined until she faces better competition.

CSC · #17 07-08-2009, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

As horses who hit the board in all three triple crown races, a very nice achievement in itself, he is average. I dare you to name horses who have done that, that you would say are worse then he is...that makes him average relative to his paper record in my book.

I love it when people want to just read a post, they know the context it was used, but reply as if they dont. Its pretty obvious compared to the 5k claimer at River Downs he is exceptional, duh....but he is average historically compared to others with similar accomplishments. I would take it a step further and say he is average compared to the best horses in his generation, that would be horses like Zenyatta and Rachael Alexandra.

I would like to see what Rachel Alexandra will do the rest of the year before calling her the best of her generation. As I said I think she is under what I would call as the 'halo effect'. Horseracing is just crying out for a superstar and there is no doubt she is the one they are looking at her with starstruck eyes.

10 pnt move up · #18 07-08-2009, 12:11 PM

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I would like to see what Rachel Alexandra will do the rest of the year before calling her the best of her generation. As I said I think she is under what I would call as the 'halo effect'. Horseracing is just crying out for a superstar and there is no doubt she is the one they are looking at her with starstruck eyes.

I am with you on waiting, but she just seems better then a horse like MTB under any circumstance. Zenyatta is a different story, she has overcome every setup to win in jogs from last place, no horse does that, look it up, even on turf.

#19 07-08-2009, 12:23 PM

Mine that Bird will let jugblowers and methheads around the heartland of America know that he is the people's choice after he wins the West Virginia Slots Derby.

10 pnt move up · #20 07-08-2009, 12:29 PM

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Mine that Bird will let jugblowers and methheads around the heartland of America know that he is the people's choice after he wins the West Virginia Slots Derby.

That is usually a race dominated near the front end, mountaineer is one of the more speed biased tracks in the country, I actually find it a not very well thought out decision to run there.