Lord Kipling Odds Drop 2 Minutes In

[randallscott35]

I can understand in a 6 furlong race but when they are 2 minutes into the race and the horse clicks down from 5/2 to 2-1.....even if they are going in at 45 second cycles, that's more than two cycles after the money is in. Shouldn't happen. No conspiracy here, but it shouldn't happen.

[XIIPointStables]

Noticed that too. Also noticed the $2 Tri for 2-1 over 6-1 over 8-1 paid to the tune of $334.50. Guess everyone had Firewood in their triples.

[kgar311]

There are other sites I go on to read once and a while and there are lots and lots of discussion going on about open windows at different tracks across the country. That's why odds of winning horses rarely if ever go up during the race, if this is the case people are making a killing and tracks keep it quiet because they don't want to drive more people away from the races.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I can understand in a 6 furlong race but when they are 2 minutes into the race and the horse clicks down from 5/2 to 2-1.....even if they are going in at 45 second cycles, that's more than two cycles after the money is in. Shouldn't happen. No conspiracy here, but it shouldn't happen.

Of course there's a CONSPIRACY here. This is PAST POSTING and most of the tracks allow their big bettors to bet after they break. (Why wouldn't they when they can blame on faulty technology or criminal behavior?) This is especially noticeable for front runners that get a clear lead. Just another way the tracks make this an UNFAIR game. Which makes it all that more delicious when you pick a longshot (that actually goes UP in odds) and stick it up their corrupt FAT asses.

This is why you just can't play 4-5:1 or lower anymore. Especially if you bet with an eye towards 'value'.

[Cannon Shell]

Wouldnt the fact that there were 2 gate scratches have anything to do with this?

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Wouldnt the fact that there were 2 gate scratches have anything to do with this?

Incorrect. The odds drop was 2 minutes after the race began. The odds after the scratches reflected the change. Like I said if you watch the race it is clear when they change and it is a full 2 minutes into the race.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Incorrect. The odds drop was 2 minutes after the race began. The odds after the scratches reflected the change. Like I said if you watch the race it is clear when they change and it is a full 2 minutes into the race.

So if was a 6 furlong race the odds would have changed after the race?

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So if was a 6 furlong race the odds would have changed after the race?

Correct, which would be pretty strange right?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Incorrect. The odds drop was 2 minutes after the race began. The odds after the scratches reflected the change. Like I said if you watch the race it is clear when they change and it is a full 2 minutes into the race.

You understand that satellite OTB's have to resend the information, let alone get the actual scratch. It isn't like they wait for people to cancel bets like at other tracks, they gate scratch, and if they don't have to move anyone (like the 3rd race), they just let it roll.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Scav

You understand that satellite OTB's have to resend the information, let alone get the actual scratch. It isn't like they wait for people to cancel bets like at other tracks, they gate scratch, and if they don't have to move anyone (like the 3rd race), they just let it roll.

There was a delay after the scratches of a few minutes. The odds are cycled on 45 second clips which means this is more than two cycles in during a 2 mile race. It shouldn't happen. If you watch the replay you can see when the odds are reflected changed on Lord Kipling when he's on the backstretch the second time.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So if was a 6 furlong race the odds would have changed after the race?

If it was a 6f race they would of sent it in at the half, here they sent it around the mile marker

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Of course there's a CONSPIRACY here. This is PAST POSTING and most of the tracks allow their big bettors to bet after they break. (Why wouldn't they when they can blame on faulty technology or criminal behavior?) This is especially noticeable for front runners that get a clear lead. Just another way the tracks make this an UNFAIR game. Which makes it all that more delicious when you pick a longshot (that actually goes UP in odds) and stick it up their corrupt FAT asses.

This is why you just can't play 4-5:1 or lower anymore. Especially if you bet with an eye towards 'value'.

So who is in on this conspiracy?

[3kings]

I am. Don't you know the first few seconds of a 2 MILE Race were the difference. Seeing my chance to pounce, I emptied my xpressbet account on Lord Kipling. I tried to bet the entire $7.70 but they only allowed me to wager complete dollars, what a Fokring outrage. Anyway I'm sorry to all the people that didn't have this huge advantage and will let you know about the next opportunity.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by 3kings

I am. Don't you know the first few seconds of a 2 MILE Race were the difference. Seeing my chance to pounce, I emptied my xpressbet account on Lord Kipling. I tried to bet the entire $7.70 but they only allowed me to wager complete dollars, what a Fokring outrage. Anyway I'm sorry to all the people that didn't have this huge advantage and will let you know about the next opportunity.

There are open widows at tracks and otb's this is FACT

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by GBBob

So who is in on this conspiracy?

So, a guy like you, who is around the track, hasn't noticed all the odds changes AFTER they break? Not at AP? Not at MTH? Not at DEL? no where?

If YOU aren't noticing it, then it must not be happening.

Past posting is NOT an issue and whales aren't getting rebates.

[infield_line]

other than a criminal conspriacy.... all of these betting outlets are presumably transmitting wagering data across the internet through various links, routers, hubs.

every organization in the country deals with the challenge of keeping up with hardware, software patches, and just slow connections from various ISP's and even providers like Verizon that can be hosed up on a given day. A single large wager coming from somewhere posted close to post that just has to wait for traffic, someone in the local track downloading a big porn file...who knows...

I agree that is very late, but I would not immediately assume it is monkey business

I/L

[Bobby Fischer]

it's worth mentioning that the horse paid $6.90.

he dropped from "5-2" to 2.45-1.
46K on kipling total


the concerns are valid. there shouldn't be odds changes this late into the race, whether its on the level or not.

[reese]

Originally Posted by infield_line

other than a criminal conspriacy.... all of these betting outlets are presumably transmitting wagering data across the internet through various links, routers, hubs.

every organization in the country deals with the challenge of keeping up with hardware, software patches, and just slow connections from various ISP's and even providers like Verizon that can be hosed up on a given day. A single large wager coming from somewhere posted close to post that just has to wait for traffic, someone in the local track downloading a big porn file...who knows...

I agree that is very late, but I would not immediately assume it is monkey business

I/L

That is exactly correct.

Technology would easily support direct links to load data directly from a satillite betting site to the host unlike the current situation for most places... daisy chain where site A uploads wagering data to site B who collects data from 5 other satillites before the data is bundled and uploaded (sent) to the to the host track for number crunching.

The betting had stopped, but the data is still being sent to the host AFTER the windows close and the race is running. This is becasue the transmission is slowed by collecting and uploading. Most tracks are too cheap to use point to point technology.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by reese

That is exactly correct.

Technology would easily support direct links to load data directly from a satillite betting site to the host unlike the current situation for most places... daisy chain where site A uploads wagering data to site B who collects data from 5 other satillites before the data is bundled and uploaded (sent) to the to the host track for number crunching.

The betting had stopped, but the data is still being sent to the host AFTER the windows close and the race is running. This is becasue the transmission is slowed by collecting and uploading. Most tracks are too cheap to use point to point technology.

Thats great and all and im sure true to an extent but how do you account for the winners odds going DOWN EVERY TIME. And why when you look at exacta probables as horses are going to the gate your exacta is paying $20 and then when you hit and the race goes official it only pays $15. Can anyone honestly say that their exacta has ever paid more then when the last time you saw it before the race went off? I think I can say with complete confidence that it has NEVER happened. I think bettors have become so accustomed to it that they dont think twice about it because its been the norm for so long. Something isnt right.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

it's worth mentioning that the horse paid $6.90.

he dropped from "5-2" to 2.45-1.
46K on kipling total


the concerns are valid. there shouldn't be odds changes this late into the race, whether its on the level or not.

Correct on the math, was going to mention this. I agree that the concerns are valid, and there definitely is past posting going on as evidenced by this race, but the drop on this one was small so whomever got their bet in late it wasn't a huge wager.