Borel should be fined or suspended

Buckpasser · #1 09-05-2009, 11:31 PM

He totally abused Rachael down the stretch. I counted 20 times Borel went to the whip. I am not one to cry animal abuse but I haven't seen that much whipping in a very long time. Would not surprise me if Rachael were to bounce in her next start because of it.

RockHardTen1985 · #2 09-05-2009, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Buckpasser

He totally abused Rachael down the stretch. I counted 20 times Borel went to the whip. I am not one to cry animal abuse but I haven't seen that much whipping in a very long time. Would not surprise me if Rachael were to bounce in her next start because of it.

OMG.... She losses if he does not go to the whip. Before I continue are you even serious? Bounce, Im guessing she did bounce today, MA career top beyer is a 105, even if he improved off that, I still doubt she topped her 116 of last.

PatCummings · #3 09-05-2009, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Buckpasser

He totally abused Rachael down the stretch. I counted 20 times Borel went to the whip. I am not one to cry animal abuse but I haven't seen that much whipping in a very long time. Would not surprise me if Rachael were to bounce in her next start because of it.

Watch horse racing more often.

Buckpasser · #4 09-05-2009, 11:48 PM

yea, yea, yea...if he wins it's justified, if she lost, you would have said he abused her, I get it.

dalakhani · #5 09-05-2009, 11:52 PM

How many times would have been acceptable in your eyes? Should he have hit her 5? 10?

Merlinsky · #6 09-05-2009, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by PatCummings

Watch horse racing more often.

I second that. He would've gotten suspended if he hadn't gone to the whip enough, i.e. not hit her that much and she loses. It's called 'not persevering.' How new are you to horse racing? I don't mean to be snarky, I genuinely want to know. I don't see how he's supposed to ride a 1-4 shot in a close finish any differently without getting penalized. I was more upset with him in the Haskell. No need to swing the whip on her that much. She was already putting them away. He could take a shot that she'd win without much whipping today, but that's a big risk.

Buckpasser · #7 09-06-2009, 12:00 AM

Listen fellas, I've been watching and betting racing for over 40 years in NY and going to races in NJ, PA, FL, MA and Maryland. You can't say with a straight face that Borel wasn't slightly excessive with the whip. Watch the race again and see how he gets into her. Does it make a difference? Would she have still won if he was not so aggressive? Bottom line is that there are elements who will bring this up and frown on racing.

letswastemoney · #8 09-06-2009, 12:02 AM

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Listen fellas, I've been watching and betting racing for over 40 years and in NY and going to races in NJ, PA, FL, MA and Maryland. You can't say with a straight face that Borel wasn't slightly excessive with the whip. Watch the race again and see how he gets into her. Does it make a difference? Would she have still won if he was not so aggressive? Bottom line is that there are elements who will bring this up and frown on racing.

I agree but....it happens in the 10k claiming races as well. Unless they make new guidelines for all levels of horses, Borel had every right to do it as long as RA wasn't injured.

KirisClown · #9 09-06-2009, 12:07 AM

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Listen fellas, I've been watching and betting racing for over 40 years and in NY and going to races in NJ, PA, FL, MA and Maryland..

You must have hated Jorge Chavez with a passion back in the 90s...

NTamm1215 · #10 09-06-2009, 12:10 AM

This is reminiscent of when Mike Smith beat the tar out of Azeri in the Humana Distaff in 2004. I believe he hit her almost 30 times.

Pat Day was notorious for 20 or more swats of the whip in the stretch. Reference Farda Amiga in the Alabama in 2002.

It's really not even something worth talking about, especially considering he said afterwards that she reacted more to seeing Macho Again than anything else.

NT

Travis Stone · #11 09-06-2009, 12:10 AM

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You must have hated Jorge Chavez with a passion back in the 90s...

The Chopper?!

brianwspencer · #12 09-06-2009, 12:10 AM

If it makes you feel any better, he'll go after a $5K starter horse at Churchill with equal gusto.

Buckpasser · #13 09-06-2009, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by KirisClown

You must have hated Jorge Chavez with a passion back in the 90s...

How about Manuel Ycaza, he was super aggressive.

Hickory Hill Hoff · #14 09-06-2009, 12:13 AM

More like, he should be fined or suspended for all the "showboating" he does in the post parade & right after he crosses the finish line with her!

KirisClown · #15 09-06-2009, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

The Chopper?!

The one and only, he was a great bet though.. First time Chavez paid off pretty well, that whip woke more than a few hangers up.

dellinger63 · #16 09-06-2009, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Buckpasser

He totally abused Rachael down the stretch. I counted 20 times Borel went to the whip. I am not one to cry animal abuse but I haven't seen that much whipping in a very long time. Would not surprise me if Rachael were to bounce in her next start because of it.

U R AN IDIOT!

Merlinsky · #17 09-06-2009, 12:41 AM

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More like, he should be fined or suspended for all the "showboating" he does in the post parade & right after he crosses the finish line with her!

That twirling he did in the Haskell was kinda funny given you know he won and didn't drop the whip. My favorite Borel showboating comes from the announcer (not Durkin) calling the Oaks. He said something to the effect of Calvin 'looks over his right shoulder..no danger! He looks over his left shoulder...no danger!' I liked the way he delivered it. It's a nice way of saying what many of us were thinking, that Calvin's gawking around is gonna make him fall off one of these days and that we wish he would (expletive) knock it off because does he honestly think someone's gonna make up that much ground? He knew she was a mile in front for pete's sake.

Bigsmc · #18 09-06-2009, 08:07 AM

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Would not surprise me if Rachael were to bounce in her next start because of it.

I am glad I am playing against you in the parimutuel pools.

johnny pinwheel · #19 09-06-2009, 08:28 AM

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I am glad I am playing against you in the parimutuel pools.

your not supposed to say that! i think it reading here all the time. i read this stuff and it gives me confidence. " no wonder i do good at this game." now borail not supposed to whip her in the hard races! i thought i had heard it all ! lol...lol

alphanumeric1 · #20 09-06-2009, 08:33 AM

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I am glad I am playing against you in the parimutuel pools.

The BEST reply EVER.