Rosario investigation (12/13: CHRB clears..)

Scav · #1 09-19-2009, 12:30 PM

http://www.drf.com/news/article/107403.html

Surprised no one jumped on this yet.....If there is another thread, move this one

CSC · #2 09-19-2009, 12:33 PM

The plot thickens, I guess we have to wait for Vic to address this if he can indeed comment on it here.

randallscott35 · #3 09-19-2009, 12:41 PM

Yeah I just read this too....It is strange to put an offer in the next day.

freddymo · #4 09-19-2009, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

http://www.drf.com/news/article/107403.html

Surprised no one jumped on this yet.....If there is another thread, move this one

If I was Vic the only comment would be "No Comment". No reason to say anything until the hearing is over.

stonegossard · #5 09-19-2009, 01:09 PM

Guys leave Vic alone.

RockHardTen1985 · #6 09-19-2009, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard

Guys leave Vic alone.

PATHETIC.

-BT- · #7 09-19-2009, 01:12 PM

very interesting........

-bt-

stonegossard · #8 09-19-2009, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

PATHETIC.

Yeah, hopefully he didn't instruct Rosario to not ride the horse hoping to make the horse look bad.....then allowing Vic or someone he represents to purchase the horse cheaper. That wouldn't be good.

I am sure that such a good guy like Stauffer wouldn't do that. Probably just a misunderstanding.

stonegossard · #9 09-19-2009, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

PATHETIC.

BITE ME.

freddymo · #10 09-19-2009, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard

BITE ME.

Don't be a hater.. Vic is trying to make a career at being an agent, not a bloodstock agent or crimnal.

stonegossard · #11 09-19-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Don't be a hater.. Vic is trying to make a career at being an agent, not a bloodstock agent or crimnal.

BITE ME.

westcoastinvader · #12 09-19-2009, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

http://www.drf.com/news/article/107403.html

Surprised no one jumped on this yet.....If there is another thread, move this one

According to Marten, the complaint filed against Rosario cited him for violations of three racing board rules. One pertains to unsatisfactory rides - "no jockey shall take his horse back without reasonable cause .

That sure is a vague rule and subject to interpretation.

So what would the interpretation be if Mine That Bird only finished 4th when Borel had him completely out of the TV picture in the first half of the Kentucky Derby?

the_fat_man · #13 09-19-2009, 01:41 PM

This was a puzzling ride. But no more puzzling than any number of other rides by Joel at DMR this summer. For every good ride, Joel puts in 5 RETARDED rides. So does just about every other jock (with varying adjustments to the '5') not named Ramon Dominguez. What else is new?

What's the point? If he doesn't take back (or, better, asks his horse) when that group comes to him mid-backstretch, he finishes at the rear of the field. So, maybe the stewards need to RE-evaluate a bit. At least the jocks have the excuse that they're making split second decisions on hard to handle animals. What might the stewards' excuse be for some of their RETARDED decisions?

10 pnt move up · #14 09-19-2009, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

This was a puzzling ride. But no more puzzling than any number of other rides by Joel at DMR this summer. For every good ride, Joel puts in 5 RETARDED rides. So does just about every other jock (with varying adjustments to the '5') not named Ramon Dominguez. What else is new?

What's the point? If he doesn't take back (or, better, asks his horse) when that group comes to him mid-backstretch, he finishes at the rear of the field. So, maybe the stewards need to RE-evaluate a bit. At least the jocks have the excuse that they're making split second decisions on hard to handle animals. What might the stewards' excuse be for some of their RETARDED decisions?

The rider is curious but the offer to buy the horse after the race is real interesting.

pointman · #15 09-19-2009, 02:26 PM

Looks like much ado about nothing, how are they going to prove he didn't give his best effort? You could break down every race and accuse a jock of that, hell guys like Solis, Nakatani, Espinoza, etc. should be suspended for life under this standard.

Doubt that Glenney will get Rosario to ride anytime soon for him and I am sure other jocks will be wary of riding for a trainer who picks up a check and complains about this.

freddymo · #16 09-19-2009, 02:28 PM

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Isn't this more about Vic's sudden interest in purchasing the 3rd place finisher then Rosario's suspect ride. You think any of this happens if someone else contacted ownership with an offer?

Rudeboyelvis · #17 09-19-2009, 02:48 PM

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Looks like much ado about nothing, how are they going to prove he didn't give his best effort? You could break down every race and accuse a jock of that, hell guys like Solis, Nakatani, Espinoza, etc. should be suspended for life under this standard.

Doubt that Glenney will get Rosario to ride anytime soon for him and I am sure other jocks will be wary of riding for a trainer who picks up a check and complains about this.

Great point, Nick. Who wants to deal with worrying about a trainer going directly to the stewards when he doesn't like the ride he gets? That should have been a conversation between Rosario/Stauffer and Glenney following the race.

Bigsmc · #18 09-19-2009, 02:56 PM

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Great point, Nick. Who wants to deal with worrying about a trainer going directly to the stewards when he doesn't like the ride he gets? That should have been a conversation between Rosario/Stauffer and Glenney following the race.

Maybe they did converse following the race and Glenney didn't like the answers he got.

I agree with Freddy, it is more about the purchase inquiry than about the ride. From reading Glenney's side of the story, that is what caused him to go to the Stewards.

pointman · #19 09-19-2009, 03:22 PM

Thanks, RBE. Bigs, I agree that the inquiry should be more about the offer for purchase than the ride. But why then are they citing Rosorio for three possible violations for the ride? The obvious implication is that Rosario intentionally blew the ride in order to devalue the horse.

However, Glenney's explanation is ridiculous to me, I told him to keep the horse outside of horses and he went inside? This stuff happens every day, how many times have we seen a jock ride a horse against what anyone on paper can see is the horses normal style? Are they going to go back and review all those races? This is complete BS!

Sure, it is a bit odd that Vic inquired about purchasing the horse, but maybe Rosario saw something in the horse in the loss. I can't confirm this, but I have to imagine that jocks often see something in a horse and relate to their agent/trainer that a certain horse might be a good purchase and move up with a better trainer. I can imagine that JV has ridden a horse by a smaller trainer and said to Pletcher that he might want to get his hands on the horse and could be a good purchase and move up under Todd.

Unless Rosario was obviously strangling the horse (ala Easy Money style) or obvioulsy making no effort on the horse, or they have some other evidence of collusion, I can't see how they can cite him for a violation. Sounds to me like this will go nowhere and Glenney just has sour grapes. I do think that other jocks will be wary of a guy who complains about this type of a ride without more evidence that Rosario stiffed the horse.

#20 09-19-2009, 03:25 PM

Shocking.