Germans move the right (correct) way

[Cannon Shell]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090927/...NlcnZhdGl2ZQ--

[hi_im_god]

it's funny how relative terms like "right" and "left" are thrown around like they're equivalents all around the globe.

i'd love to see how rush, sean, and the rest of your hero's would react to any american politician advocating the positions of merkel and the free democrats.

and i'd love obama to have the guts to take some of the positions on social issues and economics that are mainstream in germany.

it's a measure of how far out of touch the right in this country is with mainstream political thought that you could even post something like this as if it were a victory for your side.

congrats lol.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

it's funny how relative terms like "right" and "left" are thrown around like they're equivalents all around the globe.

i'd love to see how rush, sean, and the rest of your hero's would react to any american politician advocating the positions of merkel and the free democrats.

and i'd love obama to have the guts to take some of the positions on social issues and economics that are mainstream in germany.

it's a measure of how far out of touch the right in this country is with mainstream political thought that you could even post something like this as if it were a victory for your side.

congrats lol.

And it is a sign of how ridiclous you are by mentioning
"mythical" positions without giving details. While Germany and the US have many cultural and social differences, the fact is that the fastest growing party in Germany, the Free Democrats, are extremely pro-business and anti-taxes. It is amazing that a genius like you didnt recognize the defeat of the Social Democrats may very well lead to some of those supposed liberal,socialist policies being overturned. What is not amazing is how you and most of the other liberals constantly bring up Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity in every post. At least, with the exception of corrupt USC loving SO, you have stopped simply blaming Bush.

Socialists lose, pro-business party wins. Even a moron from Daily Kos could see that as a victoty for the right way of thinking.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

it's a measure of how far out of touch the right in this country is with mainstream political thought that you could even post something like this as if it were a victory for your side.

Geesh, no shiat. America's "liberal" (and Obama isn't even close to being a liberal in the historical American view) is most other industrialized countries "middle-right".

But, remember, in the American "conservative" world, there "are" no other countries other than the US So in the thinking of some, nothing outside our borders matters.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And it is a sign of how ridiclous you are by mentioning
"mythical" positions without giving details. While Germany and the US have many cultural and social differences, the fact is that the fastest growing party in Germany, the Free Democrats, are extremely pro-business and anti-taxes. It is amazing that a genius like you didnt recognize the defeat of the Social Democrats may very well lead to some of those supposed liberal,socialist policies being overturned. What is not amazing is how you and most of the other liberals constantly bring up Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity in every post. At least, with the exception of corrupt USC loving SO, you have stopped simply blaming Bush.

Socialists lose, pro-business party wins. Even a moron from Daily Kos could see that as a victoty for the right way of thinking.

Someday maybe you can make posts about differences of opinion without personally, directly and deliberately insulting the poster.

But I doubt it.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by Riot

Someday maybe you can make posts about differences of opinion without personally, directly and deliberately insulting the poster.

But I doubt it.

I hope not. People who claim to lean one way and have a total different agenda should at least have their inconsistencies brought to other's attention.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090927/...NlcnZhdGl2ZQ--

OMG. Somehow Turkey managed to get in that story?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Geesh, no shiat. America's "liberal" (and Obama isn't even close to being a liberal in the historical American view) is most other industrialized countries "middle-right".

But, remember, in the American "conservative" world, there "are" no other countries other than the US So in the thinking of some, nothing outside our borders matters.

Obama isnt a liberal now? Jesus even Livan isnt this bad.

The bolded part is completely nonscensical.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Someday maybe you can make posts about differences of opinion without personally, directly and deliberately insulting the poster.

But I doubt it.

Since when is calling some one a genius an insult. While I may be insulted at being called a liberal (probably more amused) I doubt that those who consider themselves liberals would take it as such. And saying that someone has a ridiculous take on something is not really an insult. It isnt my fault they have misrepresented the truth or simply said something ....ridiculous. Like your assertion that you are indeed a Republican despite your having posted about 1000 times in a row backing Democratic points of view or knocking the GOP, its members or Fox or anything else that may be considered remotely conservative.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Obama isnt a liberal now? Jesus even Livan isnt this bad.

The bolded part is completely nonscensical.

Pat Buchanon ?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Socialists lose, pro-business party wins. Even a moron from Daily Kos could see that as a victoty for the right way of thinking.

The German voters probably just don't want the Turks getting into the E.U. I know that's not all of it, but it's a part of it. Germany has a lot of Turkish workers, and they refuse to assimilate properly. Germans know this. So, it's no wonder they don't want Turkey in the E.U.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

The German voters probably just don't want the Turks getting into the E.U. I know that's not all of it, but it's a part of it. Germany has a lot of Turkish workers, and they refuse to assimilate properly. Germans know this. So, it's no wonder they don't want Turkey in the E.U.

What about Hedu?

[Cannon Shell]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...290190804.html

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/...kel-coalition/

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125415019392446515.html


Sunday's election outcome nudged Europe's biggest economy to the right but, with the cautious, consensus-seeking Ms. Merkel still in charge, it appeared unlikely to produce a radical lurch in economic policy.

A key plank of Ms. Merkel's campaign was a pledge to offer moderate middle-income tax relief. The Free Democrats want a more radical overhaul of the tax system, cutting both the top and bottom income tax rates considerably.

Mr. Westerwelle said Monday his party would push for a "fair" tax system.

Ms. Merkel said possible tax cuts could be implemented starting in 2011 or 2012, but gave no details of what they might look like. She argues that cuts would stimulate economic growth and ultimately improve tax revenues.

In the midst of its deepest postwar recession, Germany elected a conservative-free market government Sunday. Maybe the reports of capitalism's demise have been premature



The big winner was the pro-business Free Democratic Party, with a record 14.6% of the vote. This will be enough to end what has been an unnatural alliance between the country's two main political rivals and secure a majority for the center-right coalition. It also gives Mrs. Merkel the opportunity to do the tax-cutting and deregulating that she campaigned on four years ago, assuming she still has the courage of those convictions.

The Free Democrats campaigned on a €35 billion tax cut combined with a radical simplification of one of the most complex tax codes in the world. The current rates, which rise gradually from 14% to 45%, would be replaced with three brackets of 15%, 25% and 35%. The proposal has come to be known as the "beer-coaster reform"—as in, you could fit the whole tax return on a beer coaster. The reform would make Germany's tax code among the most competitive and transparent in the industrialized world.


Sounds like Hi im Gods ridiculous contentions are just that, ridiculous

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...290190804.html

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/...kel-coalition/

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125415019392446515.html


Sunday's election outcome nudged Europe's biggest economy to the right but, with the cautious, consensus-seeking Ms. Merkel still in charge, it appeared unlikely to produce a radical lurch in economic policy.

A key plank of Ms. Merkel's campaign was a pledge to offer moderate middle-income tax relief. The Free Democrats want a more radical overhaul of the tax system, cutting both the top and bottom income tax rates considerably.

Mr. Westerwelle said Monday his party would push for a "fair" tax system.

Ms. Merkel said possible tax cuts could be implemented starting in 2011 or 2012, but gave no details of what they might look like. She argues that cuts would stimulate economic growth and ultimately improve tax revenues.

In the midst of its deepest postwar recession, Germany elected a conservative-free market government Sunday. Maybe the reports of capitalism's demise have been premature



The big winner was the pro-business Free Democratic Party, with a record 14.6% of the vote. This will be enough to end what has been an unnatural alliance between the country's two main political rivals and secure a majority for the center-right coalition. It also gives Mrs. Merkel the opportunity to do the tax-cutting and deregulating that she campaigned on four years ago, assuming she still has the courage of those convictions.

The Free Democrats campaigned on a €35 billion tax cut combined with a radical simplification of one of the most complex tax codes in the world. The current rates, which rise gradually from 14% to 45%, would be replaced with three brackets of 15%, 25% and 35%. The proposal has come to be known as the "beer-coaster reform"—as in, you could fit the whole tax return on a beer coaster. The reform would make Germany's tax code among the most competitive and transparent in the industrialized world.


Sounds like Hi im Gods ridiculous contentions are just that, ridiculous

chuck-

it's interesting to see the free democrats framed solely as "pro-buisness" ignoring the libertarian social positions they advocate. assuming their party leader is appointed foriegn minister (the usual cabinet role for the junior partner in german coalition governments), he'll be the first openly gay foreign minister I'm aware of.

i'm trying to work my head around a republican doing the same.

you're right that on economic issues this will be a more conservative partership than when the cdu governed with the social democrats. but germany will remain pretty mainstream in a europeon economic model which places far more emphasis on social welfare then here in the states. and they'll remain far more libertarian on social issues than is practical in this country.

i'd love for the u.s. to be as liberal as the new germany under merkel. but i don't think that would be a country you'd like.

that was my point. i don't think you really know what you're cheering for other than some vague notion that "right" is better than "left". Even when that specific "right" would cause you apoplexy if it were attempted here.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

that was my point. i don't think you really know what you're cheering for other than some vague notion that "right" is better than "left". Even when that specific "right" would cause you apoplexy if it were attempted here.

tell you one thing I'd love to follow their 'liberal' immigration policies..

[Riot]

Since when is calling some one a genius an insult.

Maybe a genius like you can figure that one out.

While I may be insulted at being called a liberal (probably more amused) I doubt that those who consider themselves liberals would take it as such. And saying that someone has a ridiculous take on something is not really an insult.

Yeah, too bad you didn't do that. You didn't call the opinion ridiculous, you called the poster ridiculous. A genius like you can figure out the difference, right?

It isnt my fault they have misrepresented the truth or simply said something ....ridiculous. Like your assertion that you are indeed a Republican despite your having posted about 1000 times in a row backing Democratic points of view or knocking the GOP, its members or Fox or anything else that may be considered remotely conservative

And he ends with a personal insult

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Obama isnt a liberal now? Jesus even Livan isnt this bad.

The bolded part is completely nonscensical.

Obama has never been considered a "liberal", in the US. At best, center left.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Like your assertion that you are indeed a Republican despite your having posted about 1000 times in a row backing Democratic points of view or knocking the GOP, its members or Fox or anything else that may be considered remotely conservative.

You've posted about 1000 times in a row backing outright Libertarian or even further right points of view. Yet you assert you are a Republican.

And further, you seem to take the position that only your point of view is truely "Republican". Which is silly, as it doesn't match the party platform very well in many aspects.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Riot

Obama has never been considered a "liberal", in the US. At best, center left.

most liberal senator in the us senate when he was running last year

[Riot]

Originally Posted by gales0678

most liberal senator in the us senate when he was running last year

LOL - not even close from what I saw.

What are you basing your opinion upon?