Rachel Alexandra's two-turn campaign

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Here's how her Beyer's stack up against the fastest editions of the races she has run around two-turns.

I use Beyers because they are superior at comparisons like this. Sheet figures will have claimers from this era running way faster than Sunday Silence and Alysheba.

Obviously, a figure is only going to tell you how good a performance was without the aid of key circumstantial factors like pace, trip, etc etc.

* Golden Rod:

RA Beyer: 99

Best this decade besides RA: no Golden Rod winner has run better than Sara Louise's 91

Best since '92: Silverbulletday 104.

Result: RA beats any Golden Rod field this decade by the 4.75 lengths she beat Sara Louise by. Silverbulletday won the Golden Rod by 10 lengths - she beats RA by 3 lengths.


* Martha Washington:

RA Beyer: 100

Best this decade besides RA: Eight Belles 96

Best since '92 besides RA: Eight Belles 96

Result: RA beats Eight Belles by 2.5 lengths


* Fair Grounds Oaks:

RA Beyer: 103

Best this decade: Take Charge Lady 107

Best since '92: Take Charge Lady 107

Result: RA runs 2nd beaten 2.25 lengths to TCL.


* Fantasy:

RA Beyer: 101

Best this decade besides RA: Eight Belles 99

Best since '92: Blushing KD 110

Result: RA beats Eight Belles by a length. RA runs 2nd beaten 5.5 lengths to Blushing KD.

The year Blushing KD won the fantasy .. Ajina was 3rd beaten 14 lengths in a field of 5. Ajina later won that years BC Distaff and was voted champion 3yo filly. Blushing KD won the KY Oaks over a super field next out. She died after her Monmouth win.




* Kentucky Oaks:

RA Beyer: 108

Best this decade besides RA: Rags to Riches 104

Best since '92 besides RA: Silverbulletday 107

Result: RA beats Rags To Riches by 2 lengths. RA beats Silverbulletday by a half length


* Preakness Stakes:

RA Beyer: 108

Best this decade: Smarty Jones 118

Best since '92 besides RA: (Smarty Jones & Silver Charm 118)

Result: RA finishes 2nd beaten 6.75 lengths behind Smarty Jones - but comfortably ahead of Rock Hard Ten and Eddington.

RA finishes 5th by 6.75 lengths behind Silver Charm, Captain Bodgit, Free House, and Touch Gold .. while a few lengths ahead of Frisk Me Now and Concerto.


* Mother Goose:

RA Beyer: 111

Best this decade besides RA: Fleet Renee 105

Best since '92 besides RA: Lakeway 106

Result: RA beats Fleet Renee by 3.75 lengths and Lakeway by 3 lengths.


* Haskell:

RA Beyer: 116

Best this decade besides RA: Any Given Saturday 113

Best since '92 besides RA: Holy Bull 115

Result: RA beats AGS by 1.75 lengths. RA beats Holy Bull by a half.


* Woodward:

RA Beyer: 109

Best this decade: Lawyer Ron 119

Best since '92: (Formal Gold 125 & Bertrando 125)

Result: RA finishes 2nd by 6.5 lengths to Lawyer Ron.

RA finishes 2nd beaten 10 lengths to Bertrando .. while 3.5 lengths clear of Devil His Due in 3rd. RA finishes 4th beaten 10 lengths to Formal Gold, Skip Away, and Will's Way.


From a sheer figure standpoint ... her record is 9-6-3-0 against the fastest editions this decade.

Wins coming against Sara Louise, two against Eight Belles, Rags To Riches, Fleet Renee, and Any Given Saturday. Defeats coming to Take Charge Lady, Smarty Jones, and Lawyer Ron.

Since '92 her record is either 9-4-5-0 or 9-4-3-0 .. depending if you want to use the Smarty Jones and Bertrando races - or the Silver Charm and Formal Gold races.

Just food for thought. Obviously if you took the slowest editions of each race - you can have her killing just about every field but the Woodward. She'd have Prarie Bayou by almost 7 lengths in the Preakness.

[Sightseek]

Interesting

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Yeah, it's still raining here.

I needed something to occupy my mind .. you just can't sit around and dream of an 18-1 season all day.

[NTamm1215]

Very nice work and a true testament to the type of season she has had this year. It continues to blow my mind that some on here, whether serious or not, are trying to latch onto ridiculous reasoning for why she's not a great horse or at least a really, really good horse who had a great year.

NT

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yeah, it's still raining here.

I needed something to occupy my mind .. you just can't sit around and dream of an 18-1 season all day.

So which Northeast NFL team are you a fan?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I'm a fan of no city or corporation. Just Moss. The NFL is dead to me when he retires.

[randallscott35]

I saw Blushing KD at Monmouth. What an animal.

[Indian Charlie]

Blushing K D was seriously injured after the Mth race. She didn't die for several years, I think when she was six.

[Dunbar]

You've got too much time on your hands, and I'm glad of it. Good stuff!

--Dunbar

[TropicalStorm]

Rachel is much like her daddy. An exceptional horse up to 9f but just like her daddy she is vulnerable at 10f.

I don't think Rachel would have finished ahead of Icon Project or CJ this weekend in the 10f Beldame and her connections know it. There really was no excuse to not run her this weekend. It is a dirt race. Fans want to see the best against the best and clearly Icon Project is the best 10f dirt animal in the country. Rachel's connections did racing no favors by ending her racing season before the best racing begins.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by CrossfireHurricane

Rachel is much like her daddy. An exceptional horse up to 9f but just like her daddy she is vulnerable at 10f.

I don't think Rachel would have finished ahead of Icon Project or CJ this weekend in the 10f Beldame and her connections know it. There really was no excuse to not run her this weekend. It is a dirt race. Fans want to see the best against the best and clearly Icon Project is the best 10f dirt animal in the country. Rachel's connections did racing no favors by ending her racing season before the best racing begins.

First of all, Careless Jewel isn't even running in the Beldame and it's not even 10 furlongs! Second of all, if you had any ability to judge pace you'd have an entirely different opinion of Rachel Alexandra's ability to get 10 furlongs. It's very easy to take 9f and 9.5f races that were run in a very peculiar way where she was understandably tired late and say that she wouldn't get the extra furlong.

NT

P.S. Here's a video of MDO getting vulnerable at 10fs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDl6LmeQgiY

[King Glorious]

Yeah, I was wondering when the Beldame got switched back to 10f. Didn't see any press releases on that.

I have always thought it was one of the silliest things ever to read that Medaglia d'Oro was vulnerable at 10f. He happened to lose to Pleasantly Perfect in the BC in one of the best efforts you'll see from a horse. He was beaten by Candy Ride while setting a track record for the distance at DM. There's a difference between losing to better horses at a distance than being vulnerable at it. Medaglia d'Oro was probably better at 10f than 90% of all horses that have run it on the dirt in this country since this decade began. Maybe 95%.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Yeah, I was wondering when the Beldame got switched back to 10f. Didn't see any press releases on that.

I have always thought it was one of the silliest things ever to read that Medaglia d'Oro was vulnerable at 10f. He happened to lose to Pleasantly Perfect in the BC in one of the best efforts you'll see from a horse. He was beaten by Candy Ride while setting a track record for the distance at DM. There's a difference between losing to better horses at a distance than being vulnerable at it. Medaglia d'Oro was probably better at 10f than 90% of all horses that have run it on the dirt in this country since this decade began. Maybe 95%.

I don't get it... so in this case there's no such thing as vulnerable, there's only better horses.

Medaglia d'Oro was a good horse, but he was all-out to hold Repent going 10f who if I remember correctly was coming off a big layoff. Medaglia d'Oro was a good horse, but he certainly didn't excel at 10f, which I suppose makes him vulnerable compared to how he was at 9f, right?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I don't get it... so in this case there's no such thing as vulnerable, there's only better horses.

Medaglia d'Oro was a good horse, but he was all-out to hold Repent going 10f who if I remember correctly was coming off a big layoff. Medaglia d'Oro was a good horse, but he certainly didn't excel at 10f, which I suppose makes him vulnerable compared to how he was at 9f, right?

He'd have lost to Secretariat, Affirmed, and Spectacular Bid at 9f. Does that mean that he was vulnerable at that distance too? I will say that I don't think he was as good at 10f as he was at 9f but he was still damn good at it. If he's running today, he would be dominating these goats out there and nobody would be suggesting that he is vulnerable at 10f. Timing does a whole lot when it comes to public perception.

[philcski]

Meanwhile, he got beat a head in the Belmont Stakes. But he couldn't go 10F. LOL

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by philcski

Meanwhile, he got beat a head in the Belmont Stakes. But he couldn't go 10F. LOL

Well, yeah!

What makes you think that if he can't get 10, he'd get 12?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

He got beat by Sarava .. which might only further undermine things.

I think he was marginally a little better horse at 9fs .. the actual record is misleading though.

Here's who ran 2nd to him in his 7 wins short of 10fs...

* Tallest Timber

* U S S Tinosa

* Quest

* Olmodavor

* Slider

* Volponi (that was the year he went 0-for-8)

* Seattle Fitz


In his final 3 tries at 10fs ... he ran 2nd's with Beyers of 117 and 118 against outstanding horses in Candy Ride and Pleasantly Perfect ... than he missed by less than a length when 2nd in the Dubai World Cup to PP.

In his 9f races - he dined on cupcakes.

If Medaglia D' Oro was around right now ... the current handicap division would be in a world of trouble at any distance.

[Antitrust32]

If Medaglia D'Oro was around right now we wouldnt be able to enjoy Rachel

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Uncle Rico's time machine.

They could race each other.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Uncle Rico's time machine.

They could race each other.

Let me dam this up before someone else draws a parallel to the McKenzie Phillips story.

How much you wanna bet I can throw a football over them mountains?