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10-13-2009, 10:01 AM
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FL racinos get video blackjack nod
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10-13-2009, 11:51 AM
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10-13-2009, 12:12 PM
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Does Hialeah have QH dates yet?
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10-13-2009, 12:55 PM
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10-13-2009, 01:27 PM
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10-13-2009, 09:32 PM
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10-13-2009, 09:52 PM
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10-13-2009, 10:09 PM
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10-13-2009, 11:26 PM
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Seriously though, the product sucks right now and these purse enhancements do nothing to make it better. Nobody is betting much, check all the handle stats. I guess you guys can go the steeplechase route eventually.
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10-14-2009, 12:48 AM
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Do you really think I care that much about what you think or say? If the product sucks and the sport is finished then why don't you find something else to spend your time on? Think everything will be great when your grand vision of only a few track surviving comes true? The purse enhancements may not drive handle but it does help keep owners in business. Not to mention that horseman are getting roughly 10% of the revenue. The tracks are the ones who clean up.
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10-14-2009, 08:38 AM
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You clearly made it personal first, but that is fine.
I don't claim to have all the answers. I know for sure what we are doing now isn't working, and slots are a band aid that won't last forever. Anybody that thinks they will is living in dream land.
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10-14-2009, 09:03 AM
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It isnt about having answers. However you always take potshots at horseman over slots as if we shouldnt be proactive over our future. I'm sure that you are in favor of something being given back to the gambler. Why would the horsemans desire be any different? Simply wanting the opportunity to have a better chance at keeping your head above water in a very difficult venture? If you had a better idea of how to do things that takes into consideration the reality of political considerations, i would love to hear it.
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10-14-2009, 09:31 AM
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You made a tongue and cheek reference to my business.
Slots money isn't going to be there forever, of that I am sure. In the mean time, customers are leaving in droves. It is already happening at some places. What happens when that money is gone and the customers are gone, too? Of course it is the tracks more than horsemen, I'll concede that point. I should have said welfare for tracks, of which horsemen are a part. Slots keep places in business that really don't belong in business. The effect is we have too many tracks with not enough horses, and crappy races to bet. Thus, people don't bet. That wouldn't be so bad if tied into the slots money were takeout cuts, but I haven't seen that happen, ever. When it does maybe my mind will change. I have never said I want only a few tracks, but it wouldn't hurt to cut 25-30% of them. Hell, just in infrastructure alone the game could save millions. Do we really need Aqueduct and Belmont? Monmouth and the Meadowlands? Santa Anita and Hollywood? Pimlico and Laurel? Of course we don't. That only tackles tracks in the same state in close proximity to each other. I could go on a with things like Philly and Delaware Park, Penn National and Charles Town, Turfway and River Downs, and so on. These tracks could work together and make things better for all with less dates. In the end, the name of the game is handle. Without some of the changes I mention, it will continue to shrink. Just the fact that on a summer Saturday there are about 50 win pools to bet in makes the game very hard to play. The pools are diluted and unbettable at most places for all but the casual fan. As for the political considerations, of course it is hard. But, is anybody even trying to change anything? Finally, thanks for your take it or leave it statement. That is typical of a horsemen and a big part of why I think the way I do about things.
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10-14-2009, 09:40 AM
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orioles - are slots not wokrking at a venue like yonkers?
here was a place on death's door a few years ago , now places is packed , purses are up , better racing , cards on the way , possible hotel on the way , more jobs for ny'ers on the way.....what is bad about this? , am i missing something here , is the rooney family missing something here?
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10-14-2009, 09:46 AM
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10-14-2009, 09:51 AM
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taken away by what? yonkers is expanding , what worked at yonkers s/b able to work at the big a or belmont now i'll give you that 8/10 customers may not be able to read the form or know the difference between a claiming race or a stakes race , but , something is working , does the rooney family miss the big picture here?
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10-14-2009, 09:56 AM
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Let me ask this, how are the pools at Yonkers? Do people bet? Because at the thoroughbred tracks, the pools with slots are pretty much a joke. They do nothing but siphon horses away from other tracks where people actually bet, helping create crap races. Also, I think looking at a city with 10 million people in it might be a bit extreme as well.
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