Help John McCain with his retirement

[AeWingnut]

http://www.jdforsenate.com/

[Riot]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

http://www.jdforsenate.com/

You support JD Hayworth for Senate?

Hayworth is smarmy. He won't say he's a birther, but yet he won't call the birthers out for the crazy whack jobs they are, as they are his voting constituents.

I guess the Arizona Legislature missed that the President has already shown his birth certificate, starting 'way back during the campaign.

PHOENIX — Nearly half of the Arizona Legislature wants to force President Barack Obama to show his birth certificate to state officials if he runs for re-election.

A state House committee on Tuesday approved the measure sponsored by 40 of the state's 90 legislators. It would require presidential candidates who want to appear on the ballot in Arizona to submit documents proving they meet the requirements to be president.

All 40 co-sponsors are Republicans, comprising 75 percent of the GOP caucus. Two of them have since resigned to run for Congress.

The idea was proposed by Skull Valley Republican Rep. Judy Burges. She says if people have to prove their citizenship to apply for a job or get a passport, they should have to prove it to run for president.

[Rupert Pupkin]

I can't stand John McCain. He is trying to get a bill passed that would give the FDA control over vitamins and herbs. As of right now, we are free to go into any health-food store or even a greocery store and buy any vitamins that we want. If this bill passes, the FDA may start requiring prescriptions for vitamins. The FDA is in bed with the big drug companies. The big drug companies hate the fact that many people are using herbs and vitamins instead of prescription drugs. The big drug companies would love it if people were not allowed to buy herbs any more.

Anyway, here is an article about McCain's plan that would give the FDA the power to regulate vitamins, herbs, and supplements.

I think this is absolutely outrageous. I already sent e-mails to both of my senators.

http://www.jbs.org/health-care-freed...egulatory-bill

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I can't stand John McCain. He is trying to get a bill passed that would give the FDA control over vitamins and herbs. As of right now, we are free to go into any health-food store or even a greocery store and buy any vitamins that we want. If this bill passes, the FDA may start requiring prescriptions for vitamins. The FDA is in bed with the big drug companies. The big drug companies hate the fact that many people are using herbs and vitamins instead of prescription drugs. The big drug companies would love it if people were not allowed to buy herbs any more.

Anyway, here is an article about McCain's plan that would give the FDA the power to regulate vitamins, herbs, and supplements.

I think this is absolutely outrageous. I already sent e-mails to both of my senators.

http://www.jbs.org/health-care-freed...egulatory-bill

this is ridiculous.

do you need a presciption to buy tylenol? cosmetics? tobacco?

guess what? all regulated by the fda.

the issue here is that the supplement industry lobby doesn't want anyone doing quality control tests on their product.

as much as you like your supplements now, wouldn't you feel better knowing they aren't laced with rat turds? or that a product labeled as 100mg dosage is actually 100 mg and not sometimes 60mg and sometimes 200mg?

the problem for the supplement industry is they know they have some bad players. and they want to make sure you don't find that out.

i take fish oil, a potasium supplement, a plant sterol, and a multi-vitamen everyday. I have nothing against nutritional supplements.

but i'm looking forward to the day i don't have to wonder how much i'm actually getting and what else i'm taking with each one that i don't know about.

good bless john mccain for asking that your vitamen be at least as pure as your chemical food additive.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

this is ridiculous.

do you need a presciption to buy tylenol? cosmetics? tobacco?

guess what? all regulated by the fda.

the issue here is that the supplement industry lobby doesn't want anyone doing quality control tests on their product.

as much as you like your supplements now, wouldn't you feel better knowing they aren't laced with rat turds? or that a product labeled as 100mg dosage is actually 100 mg and not sometimes 60mg and sometimes 200mg?

the problem for the supplement industry is they know they have some bad players. and they want to make sure you don't find that out.

i take fish oil, a potasium supplement, a plant sterol, and a multi-vitamen everyday. I have nothing against nutritional supplements.

but i'm looking forward to the day i don't have to wonder how much i'm actually getting and what else i'm taking with each one that i don't know about.

good bless john mccain for asking that your vitamen be at least as pure as your chemical food additive.

My understanding is that there are already safeguards in place to deal with supplement companies that are mislabeling their products.

I would be the first guy to want some type of oversight to make sure that products do in fact contain the ingredients that are on the label. I think we are all in favor of that. But it sounds to me like this bill goes way too far. I don't want the FDA telling me what supplements or herbs I'm allowed to buy.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Riot

You support JD Hayworth for Senate?

Hayworth is smarmy. He won't say he's a birther, but yet he won't call the birthers out for the crazy whack jobs they are, as they are his voting constituents.

I guess the Arizona Legislature missed that the President has already shown his birth certificate, starting 'way back during the campaign.

I don't believe Barackovish has but what difference does it make
I dislike McCain and want him to be replaced by someone that isn't always reaching across the aisle. McCain is a dem

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

My understanding is that there are already safeguards in place to deal with supplement companies that are mislabeling their products.

I would be the first guy to want some type of oversight to make sure that products do in fact contain the ingredients that are on the label. I think we are all in favor of that. But it sounds to me like this bill goes way too far. I don't want the FDA telling me what supplements or herbs I'm allowed to buy.

goes way too far how? by making supplement manufacturer's adhere to the same labeling and quality standards that already exist for other consumable goods?

how is that a radical idea?

there is no sensible argument against this. which is why you see nonsense like "presciptions will be required for vitamens" thrown out instead.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

goes way too far how? by making supplement manufacturer's adhere to the same labeling and quality standards that already exist for other consumable goods?

how is that a radical idea?

there is no sensible argument against this. which is why you see nonsense like "presciptions will be required for vitamens" thrown out instead.

If all this bill will do is make supplement manufacturers adhere to the same labeling and quality standards that already exist for other consumable goods, then I have no problem with that. But from my understanding, this bill goes way further than that.

Are you saying that this bill would not give the FDA the power to pull certain herbs off the market? Let's say that the FDA decides that Yin Chiao has not been proven as an effective tool against colds and flu's in their opinion. I think they would be able to pull Yin Chiao off the market, not based on quality control, but based on the FDA's opinion of the herbs' effectiveness. I am not favor of giving the FDA that type of power. I think I can do my own research on-line and decide whether I want to take Yin Chiao or not.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

If all this bill will do is make supplement manufacturers adhere to the same labeling and quality standards that already exist for other consumable goods, then I have no problem with that. But from my understanding, this bill goes way further than that.

Are you saying that this bill would not give the FDA the power to pull certain herbs off the market? Let's say that the FDA decides that Yin Chiao has not been proven as an effective tool against colds and flu's in their opinion. I think they would be able to pull Yin Chiao off the market, not based on quality control, but based on the FDA's opinion of the herbs' effectiveness. I am not favor of giving the FDA that type of power. I think I can do my own research on-line and decide whether I want to take Yin Chiao or not.

if the manufacturer labels it as a cold remedy and it's proven to have no efficacy, it would probably be pulled for mislabelling.

on the other hand if the manufacturer labels it as "yin chiao" and makes no other claim, then all they have to do is prove it's yin chiao.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

sudafed..damn meth labs

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I can't stand John McCain. He is trying to get a bill passed that would give the FDA control over vitamins and herbs.

I'm in favor of that. Consumer Reports analysis several years ago found 80% of that stuff isn't what's on the label. There is zero control over what's in it. Anybody can put anything in capsules, and sell it on the vitamin and herb aisle.

Buyer beware - you don't know if you are buying 40 IU of Vitamin E or maybe 10-20 IU (depending upon the factory run) and a bunch of weird oil filler.

There have been some herbs that have proven dangerous in certain amounts - the FDA coverage would control labeling, safety, content, label claims. Mostly the problem is consumers getting ripped off by the amount of stuff in there not what it says on the label, and questionable ingredients.

The quality and safety depends entirely upon the morals of the company selling it to you.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

I don't believe Barackovish has but what difference does it make

Your funny little name for the President is cute in certain circles I suppose, but yes, make no mistake Obama's birth certificate has been out during the campaign, people have actually seen it, and it has been verified by the Hawaiian officials. You can see it on Snopes, etc.

I can't believe you are a birther!

[dellinger63]

McCain would be great in Veteran Affairs and it's definately time for a 'change', ying-yang style and Hayworth is yang!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

McCain would be great in Veteran Affairs and it's definately time for a 'change', ying-yang style and Hayworth is yang!

Hayworth would fit right in with the people that believe aliens landed next state over in Roswell, the government needs to keep their hands out of Medicare, and Rush Limbaugh is a "satirist"

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Hayworth would fit right in with the people that believe

in small businesses and smaller government

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

in small businesses and smaller government

I believe in small business (as an owner) and smaller government.

What would you like to give up, in our current government, in order to make it smaller?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

Your funny little name for the President is cute in certain circles I suppose, but yes, make no mistake Obama's birth certificate has been out during the campaign, people have actually seen it, and it has been verified by the Hawaiian officials. You can see it on Snopes, etc.

I can't believe you are a birther!

That's not exactly true. The document posted on-line is not a birth certificate. It is a state certificate of birth but it's not an actual birth certificate. Obama refueses to have his actual birth certificate released.

Here is an article about it. This article is totally on Obama's side. The article makes fun of the birthers and thinks the whole issue is absurd. However, the article does admit that the official birth certificate has not been released. If there is nothing to this whole controversy, I don't know why Obama doesn't just release the real birth certificate and shut everyone up.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...te-hawaii.html

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

That's not exactly true. The document posted on-line is not a birth certificate. It is a state certificate of birth but it's not an actual birth certificate. Obama refueses to have his actual birth certificate released.

Here is an article about it. This article is totally on Obama's side. The article makes fun of the birthers and thinks the whole issue is absurd. However, the article does admit that the official birth certificate has not been released. If there is nothing to this whole controversy, I don't know why Obama doesn't just release the real birth certificate and shut everyone up.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...te-hawaii.html

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama...ertificate.asp


i can't believe this is still being brought up as relevant. the certificate you claim isn't a 'real' one sounds just like the one i got for my daughter, and she most definitely was born in maryland.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama...ertificate.asp


i can't believe this is still being brought up as relevant. the certificate you claim isn't a 'real' one sounds just like the one i got for my daughter, and she most definitely was born in maryland.

I know, of all the thing that can be actually said about Obama, people choose the birth certificate... makes the far righties look like idiots really.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama...ertificate.asp


i can't believe this is still being brought up as relevant. the certificate you claim isn't a 'real' one sounds just like the one i got for my daughter, and she most definitely was born in maryland.

I never "claimed it isn't a real one". I stated the fact that the document released is not an actual full-length birth certificate. Is that relevant? I don't know.

I do know that Obama refuses to release his actual full-length birth certificate. Every time someone sues to force him to release it, his lawyers go to court and fight tooth and nail to keep it from being made public.

I have no idea where Obama was born. I assume he was born in Hawaii but it seems pretty suspicious that he is spending tons of money on lawyers to make sure that his full-length birth certificate is not released. Why doesn't he just release it and end the controversy? Wouldn't that be easier than constantly going to court?

Do you have a theory on why Obama has been spending tens of thousands, if not millions of dollars on lawyers to battle in court to make sure his full-length birth certificate is not made public?