A Little Warm Returns... Tuesday, Delaware Park

RockHardTen1985 · #1 06-26-2010, 07:25 PM

9th (4:51)

1 1/16 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Allowance Optional Claiming ($40,000) | Purse: $41,000

Post # Horse Jockey Weight Claim Price Equip. Med.
1 Miner's Reserve Rose J 118 L
2 A Little Warm Velazquez J R 115 LA
3 Grand Sensation Rocco J S Jr 121 $40,000 LA
4 Twisted Dream Castillo O O 121 L
5 Delaware River Shepherd J 121 $40,000 LA
6 Strikewhileitshot Valdivia J Jr 121 LA
7 Toby the Coal Man Thompson T J 121 LA
8 Critical Acclaim Rose J 121 $40,000 L
9 Jen's Revenge Rose J 121 $40,000 LA
10 Bear's Rocket Bravo J 121 LA

RolloTomasi · #2 06-26-2010, 07:33 PM

I had a couple of concerns here that may prove to be moot if there is a scratch or two. First, why are both A Little Warm and Miners Reserve showing up in this spot? Just 11 days from this race, they run the listed Barbaro Stakes at the same distance and track for $100,000 against straight 3yos. To be fair, it's likely that Zito has another horse pointing for that race.

Also, and I could be dead wrong as it's essentially a second tier track, but wouldn't it be better to run against straight 3yos than tackle older horses? Especially considering its a second condition allowance, not a first.

Anyways, A Little Warm IMO still needs to prove his routing ability and given some of the concerns I mentioned I don't think it'll be as much of a slam dunk as it would appear on the surface (I say this because Tony Dutrow is quoted in the DRF mentioning "bigger and better things".)

Travis Stone · #3 06-26-2010, 08:03 PM

Doing this could easily give them a false sense of hope that A Little Warm can go far. Even the Fair Grounds speed bias on LA Derby day couldn't get him home.

Gaining Ground · #4 06-26-2010, 08:23 PM

imo miners reserve is a very serious horse and will be very tough if he starts here.

Indian Charlie · #5 06-26-2010, 08:40 PM

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imo miners reserve is a very serious horse and will be very tough if he starts here.

Dude, stop getting so fugging emotional.

RolloTomasi · #6 06-26-2010, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

imo miners reserve is a very serious horse and will be very tough if he starts here.

The Florida Derby debacle is an obvious throwout, but did this colt have a viable excuse in the Derby Trial?

I don't like those meltdown-types, particularly when they only show their best stuff in allowance races.

At least he's only 3, so he has a license to mature/improve, etc.

Gaining Ground · #7 06-26-2010, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

The Florida Derby debacle is an obvious throwout, but did this colt have a viable excuse in the Derby Trial?

I don't like those meltdown-types, particularly when they only show their best stuff in allowance races.

At least he's only 3, so he has a license to mature/improve, etc.

its possible he didnt handle the wet track in the derby trial.

RolloTomasi · #8 06-29-2010, 04:50 PM

I guess 6 scratches in the race changes things. Don't know much about the other two horses in here, but I wonder if it will play out like a match race between A Little Warm and Miner's Reserve.

RockHardTen1985 · #9 06-29-2010, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I guess 6 scratches in the race changes things. Don't know much about the other two horses in here, but I wonder if it will play out like a match race between A Little Warm and Miner's Reserve.

3 min to post... I am waiting another 2 minutes if the 1 is above even money, I am tossing $100 to win on him.

RockHardTen1985 · #10 06-29-2010, 05:00 PM

Stupid horse had to stay at 6-5... Not even that I like him, as much as I was not sold on A Little Warm.

the_fat_man · #11 06-29-2010, 05:10 PM

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Stupid horse had to stay at 6-5... Not even that I like him, as much as I was not sold on A Little Warm.

Got a pick for the Arabians in the 10th?

RolloTomasi · #12 06-29-2010, 05:14 PM

Tentatively, does this race tend to make A Little Warm a contender for the Travers (Haskell/Jim Dandy first, of course) or does it merely write off Miner's Reserve as an elite 3yo?

blackthroatedwind · #13 06-29-2010, 05:24 PM

It was a very fast race.

RockHardTen1985 · #14 06-29-2010, 05:27 PM

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It was a very fast race.

I need to really learn this game then, I saw 2 horses plodding home who wanted no part of really going long, the 1 had really no excuse at all.

blackthroatedwind · #15 06-29-2010, 05:32 PM

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I need to really learn this game then, I saw 2 horses plodding home who wanted no part of really going long, the 1 had really no excuse at all.

Honestly, this is a given.

RockHardTen1985 · #16 06-29-2010, 05:33 PM

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Honestly, this is a given.

I know the race went 6 seconds faster then the one before, but that race before is like bottom level junk, no?

blackthroatedwind · #17 06-29-2010, 05:39 PM

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I know the race went 6 seconds faster then the one before, but that race before is like bottom level junk, no?

Instead of hastening to form opinions, sometimes it helps to actually do the real research, and quantify things as opposed to using useless generalizations.

" Bottom level junk " run speed figures as well. 38 lengths at 1 1/16 equals around 65 Beyer points. Everything is relative.

The third finisher in the 9th lost by 16 3/4 lengths. That's around 28 Beyer points. Did you look at his pps?

This stuff isn't rocket science.

RockHardTen1985 · #18 06-29-2010, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Instead of hastening to form opinions, sometimes it helps to actually do the real research, and quantify things as opposed to using useless generalizations.

" Bottom level junk " run speed figures as well. 38 lengths at 1 1/16 equals around 65 Beyer points. Everything is relative.

The third finisher in the 9th lost by 16 3/4 lengths. That's around 28 Beyer points. Did you look at his pps?

This stuff isn't rocket science.

I see it....
I guess this is why the game is not as simple as beyers... This race will come back large, and I want no part of either of these horses next out, especially if its in races like the Jim Dandy or Haskell.

blackthroatedwind · #19 06-29-2010, 05:55 PM

And therein lies part of the problem. You insist on making kneejerk reactions to performances and forming opinions both seconds after races are run and subsequently weeks before others are even drawn, much less run. What exactly is the upside in this? So you can make internet declarations? How much money does that translate to at the windows?

Some of us have to offer opinions a day or two before races are run. For no reason whatsoever you insist on doing it weeks in advance. Preconceived notions will get you nowhere.

RockHardTen1985 · #20 06-29-2010, 05:56 PM

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And therein lies part of the problem. You insist on making kneejerk reactions to performances and forming opinions both seconds after races are run and subsequently weeks before others are even drawn, much less run. What exactly is the upside in this? So you can make internet declarations? How much money does that translate to at the windows?

Some of us have to offer opinions a day or two before races are run. For no reason whatsoever you insist on doing it weeks in advance. Preconceived notions will get you nowhere.

I agree, I know this is my problem, maybe Im just to stubburn to fix it. I hate forming opinions and not being able to budge off it, but its just my personallity, I dont want to be like this... I really dont.