Weekend Beyers

[Kasept]

PRM-PrM Cornhusker H (G2): Shadowbdancing 94 (T. Gore/E. Razo)
PRM-Iowa Derby (G3): Concord Point 107 (B. Baffert/M. Garcia)
PRM-Iowa Oaks (G3): Seeking the Title 93 (D. Stewart/C. Borel)
PRM-Iowa Sprint H: Majesticperfection 117 (S. Asmussen/S. Bridgmohan)
PRM-Saylorville S: Secret Gypsy 101 (R. Werner/J. Theriot)
PRM-Iowa Distaff S: Wynning Ride 92 (B. Baffert/M. Garcia)

BEL-Mother Goose S (G1): Devil May Care 97 (T. Pletcher/J. Velazquez)

MTH-Boiling Springs S (G3): Strike It Rich 89 (C. Clement G. Gomez)
MTH-Lighthouse S: Malibu Prayer 107 (T. Pletcher/G. Gomez)
MTH-Blue Sparkler S: Way With Words 89 (M. Eppler/E. Castro)
MTH Crank It Up S: Greeley's Rocket 87 (W. Calhoun/J. Rose)

WO-King Edward S (G2): Grand Adventure 104 (M. Frostad/P. Husbands)
WO-Victoria Park S: Exhi 100 (T. Pletcher/R. Albarado)
WO-My Dear S: Final Mesa 92 (W. Ward/E. Coa)

AP-Arlington Sprint H: Chamberlain Bridge 100 (W. Calhoun/J. Theriot)

CD-Debutante S (G3): Just Louise 68 (D. Romans/R. Albarado)
CD-Kelly's Landing S: Here Comes Ben 103 (C. Lopresti/A. Solis)

HOL-Beverly Hills H (G3): Turning Top 89 (S. Callaghan/B. Blanc)
HOL-Kerlan Memorial H: My Summer Slew 97 (C. Dollase/A. Quinonez)

IND-Snack S: Mr Consolidator (R. Patrick/O. Mojica)

PID-Leemat S: Zoeling 93 (D. Matthews/F. Geroux)
PID-Northern Fling S: Ariana D 85 (M. Scherer/H. Vega)

Wow... The Debutante is laughable.

[hockey2315]

Capital Account ran a 104.

[hockey2315]

In semi-related news. . . I'm pretty sure Afleet Express' allowance beyer from last month has been downgraded all the way from the prelim fig that was 110+ to a 101. . . It stopped in the middle for a while (and was listed at that level - 104 or 105 maybe - when the PP's for his last race were out). I'm starting to agree with all the Beyer-bashers - not because I think the figs are bad, but because their application/calculation has become a complete joke.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

In semi-related news. . . I'm pretty sure Afleet Express' allowance beyer from last month has been downgraded all the way from the prelim fig that was 110+ to a 101. . . It stopped in the middle for a while (and was listed at that level - 104 or 105 maybe - when the PP's for his last race were out). I'm starting to agree with all the Beyer-bashers - not because I think the figs are bad, but because their application/calculation has become a complete joke.

Today we have Serling exposing Castellano, and the NYRA stewards for continually allowing him to HERD. Castellano wasn't allowed to do this at WO, Serling points out. (They slapped him like the bitch he is.)

And now, we have a diehard devotee starting to rethink his paradigm.

What's next?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Today we have Serling exposing Castellano, and the NYRA stewards for continually allowing him to HERD. Castellano wasn't allowed to do this at WO, Serling points out. (They slapped him like the bitch he is.)

And now, we have a diehard devotee starting to rethink his paradigm.

What's next?

You posting sanely?

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You posting sanely?

I'm complementing you and you get paranoid again. You really need to get some help about that.

P.S. I also caught your comment on trips and traps about Shrewd One where you comment that it doesn't matter how fast they were going. So, SETUP does trump numeric pace, then, huh? But if that's the case, what happens to "no trips in slow races"?

[randallscott35]

Andy makes a point that needs to be made about jockeys getting hometown calls which screws up things in DQs consistently. On Belmont day Bravo should've come down in that turf sprint but Monmouth looked the other way. It's gross and it needs to stop...I realize they recently took him down in another race I believe. He needs days as he is careless. He doesn't deserve a Jersey discount.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I'm complementing you and you get paranoid again. You really need to get some help about that.

P.S. I also caught your comment on trips and traps about Shrewd One where you comment that it doesn't matter how fast they were going. So, SETUP does trump numeric pace, then, huh? But if that's the case, what happens to "no trips in slow races"?

I was joking.

However, after this post perhaps I should reconsider.

I'll have to review that T&T to find out what I was REALLY saying.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Andy makes a point that needs to be made about jockeys getting hometown calls which screws up things in DQs consistently. On Belmont day Bravo should've come down in that turf sprint but Monmouth looked the other way. It's gross and it needs to stop...I realize they recently took him down in another race I believe. He needs days as he is careless. He doesn't deserve a Jersey discount.

They aren't hometown calls....at least in NY. They are different interpretations of rules.

I will never get why people always insinuate that stewards have some ulterior motives. You may disagree with them, they may be " wrong, " but that doesn't imply some sort of imbalance. They simply see things differently...right or wrong.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I'm complementing you and you get paranoid again. You really need to get some help about that.

P.S. I also caught your comment on trips and traps about Shrewd One where you comment that it doesn't matter how fast they were going. So, SETUP does trump numeric pace, then, huh? But if that's the case, what happens to "no trips in slow races"?

OK, now I know what you were referring to.

What I was saying was that, basically, while the pace appears relatively slow ( I would guess it was actually on the fair to fast side ), I'm not overly concerned with that, as from a dynamics standpoint, it collapsed. Part of that may have been very much related to the contestants as well.

However, this was FAR from a " slow " race....so, sorry, I hate to end today's hot streak for you, but this was not a " no trips in slow races " situation. In fact, not even close.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

However, this was FAR from a " slow " race....so, sorry, I hate to end today's hot streak for you, but this was not a " no trips in slow races " situation. In fact, not even close.

You're a good enough handicapper/race watcher to understand that pace is one factor that can influence the way a race is run. Other ways are: a horse whose run would alter the dynamics of the race getting a trouble trip; a horse or horses making premature moves; whether or not the winner is 'escorted' to the wire; and, probably most importantly, the 'type' of race it is.

You obviously know all this because, quite often, in between giving us the full trouble line data, you also make some noteworthy comments about the dynamics of a given race and how that affects the evalution of a given horse.

In fact, you appear to be doing this quite often and I suspect that sooner (and not later) RACE TYPES will play a central role in your handicapping.

On a related noted, and to see how COMPETENT stewards operate, check out the replay of WO 6/23/10 R4. I had an exacta box 1-7 and it appeared to be good UNTIL the 4 came out and caused the 2 to cut off the 7. In NY they take the 4 down.

[blackthroatedwind]

Race shapes, going forwards and backwards, are a central part of my handicapping. Plus, it's fun to decipher and try to predict.

I'll try to watch the WO race, though they aren't on racereplays.com.

[Kasept]

PRM-PrM Cornhusker H (G2): Shadowbdancing 94 (T. Gore/E. Razo)
PRM-Iowa Derby (G3): Concord Point 107 (B. Baffert/M. Garcia)
PRM-Iowa Oaks (G3): Seeking the Title 93 (D. Stewart/C. Borel)

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Kasept

PRM-PrM Cornhusker H (G2): Shadowbdancing 94 (T. Gore/E. Razo)
PRM-Iowa Derby (G3): Concord Point 107 (B. Baffert/M. Garcia)
PRM-Iowa Oaks (G3): Seeking the Title 93 (D. Stewart/C. Borel)

107 for Concord Point, besides Eskendereya is that the highest 3 yr old route beyer this year?

[Kasept]

Eskendereya AQU 03 Apr 1 1/8M 109
Concord Point PrM 26 Jun 1 1/16M 107
Eskendereya GP 20 Feb 1 1/8M 106
All Due Respect (f) HOL 06 Jun 1 1/16M 104
Blind Luck (f) OP 02 Apr 1 1/16M 104
Super Saver CD 01 May 1 1/4M 104
Tidal Pool (f) OP 18 Feb 1M 103
Lookin At Lucky PIM 15 May 1 3/16M 102
Endorsement SUN 28 Mar 1 1/8M 101
First Dude PIM 15 May 1 3/16M 101
Hurricane Ike CD 24 Apr 1M 101
Jackson Bend PIM 15 May 1 3/16M 101
Tiz the One GP 14 Mar 1M 101
Amen Hallelujah (f) GP 27 Feb 1M 100
Devil May Care (f) GP 20 Mar 1 1/8M 100

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Eskendereya AQU 03 Apr 1 1/8M 109
Concord Point PrM 26 Jun 1 1/16M 107
Eskendereya GP 20 Feb 1 1/8M 106
All Due Respect (f) HOL 06 Jun 1 1/16M 104
Blind Luck (f) OP 02 Apr 1 1/16M 104
Super Saver CD 01 May 1 1/4M 104
Tidal Pool (f) OP 18 Feb 1M 103
Lookin At Lucky PIM 15 May 1 3/16M 102
Endorsement SUN 28 Mar 1 1/8M 101
First Dude PIM 15 May 1 3/16M 101
Hurricane Ike CD 24 Apr 1M 101
Jackson Bend PIM 15 May 1 3/16M 101
Tiz the One GP 14 Mar 1M 101
Amen Hallelujah (f) GP 27 Feb 1M 100
Devil May Care (f) GP 20 Mar 1 1/8M 100

Thanks Steve.
What did you think of his effort? I burnt some money on him earlier in the year, but he has always been on my radar, even if only because its a Baffert.
Do you think he is the real deal? Did he beat much? Any plans on where to next, Saratoga likely?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Shadowbdancing won a 300K Grade 2 for older males with a 94.

Yeah - that was some field.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Thanks Steve.
What did you think of his effort? I burnt some money on him earlier in the year, but he has always been on my radar, even if only because its a Baffert.
Do you think he is the real deal? Did he beat much? Any plans on where to next, Saratoga likely?

Thought it was OK... Have to watch it again.

Baffert on Concord Point's next steps tomorrow morning at 10:30a on ATR.

[alysheba4]

does it seem like a low number for devil