Vaccines are NOT safe for children

[golfer]

Beginning in 1989, the Thimerisol generation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQG5Q...ayer_embedded#!

[timmgirvan]

Mostly, they're not safe for anyone!

[AeWingnut]

not getting vaccines is the #1 reason things like polio are making a come back

[Danzig]

i read the other day about a few kids dying in california of whooping cough. i've seen where some say they're not safe, but then i see doctors who say they are...
they might not be perfect, but are they better than the disease they are keeping the child from catching?

[golfer]

from 1984: "The Medical Time Bomb of Immunization Against Disease"

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/mendelsohn.html

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Mostly, they're not safe for anyone!

Yes, bring back smallpox!

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, bring back smallpox!

over the top...as usual!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

over the top...as usual!

Here, Timmi and Golfer, learn something. I especially draw your attention to Table 1.

http://www.fda.gov/biologicsbloodvac...m096228.htm#t2

[Danzig]

i'd imagine that for every link showing vaccines are bad, an alternate viewpoint could be found.
small sampling, but i have three kids who were all vaccinated, with no adverse reactions-and no worries about mumps, measles, rubella, polio, etc, etc.
and i received who knows how many vaccinations when in the military, both in boot camp and before heading to japan. nope, no problems there either.

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i'd imagine that for every link showing vaccines are bad, an alternate viewpoint could be found.
small sampling, but i have three kids who were all vaccinated, with no adverse reactions-and no worries about mumps, measles, rubella, polio, etc, etc.
and i received who knows how many vaccinations when in the military, both in boot camp and before heading to japan. nope, no problems there either.

And you still have all your teeth!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i'd imagine that for every link showing vaccines are bad, an alternate viewpoint could be found.

Yes. That's why who is authoring the link, and the validity of the information, that is important.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

And you still have all your teeth!

so do my kids!

[Indian Charlie]

Vaccines are a moot point, since they do not work.

Disease rates were already falling, with many nearly wiped out before their 'miracle' shot(s) was even invented.

Said diseases, when their vaccine was introduced, typically went up for a few years. That statistics on this are readily available and can be dug up with little effort, for those that don't have their minds already sealed shut.

Here's a fun little known tidbit. If you remove infant mortality out of the average life expectancy calculation, people in this country were actually living longer in 1900 than in 2000.

Truly the weirdest single thing about our health care system is how desperate everyone is to have it. What's weird about that is that EVERYONE knows the system is corrupt and broken. Everyone knows that people are suffering from more diseases and are generally more miserable than they were just 20 to 30 years ago, yet everyone is terrified to the possibility that our medical system is, at best, a complete failure (or at worst, a terrible fraud).

Autism up. Cancers up. Cardiovascular 'disease' up. Obesity up. Psych problems up and on and on and on it goes. Anyone with any foresight can see the direction things are headed.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Vaccines are a moot point, since they do not work.

Disease rates were already falling, with many nearly wiped out before their 'miracle' shot(s) was even invented.

Said diseases, when their vaccine was introduced, typically went up for a few years. That statistics on this are readily available and can be dug up with little effort, for those that don't have their minds already sealed shut.

Here's a fun little known tidbit. If you remove infant mortality out of the average life expectancy calculation, people in this country were actually living longer in 1900 than in 2000.

Truly the weirdest single thing about our health care system is how desperate everyone is to have it. What's weird about that is that EVERYONE knows the system is corrupt and broken. Everyone knows that people are suffering from more diseases and are generally more miserable than they were just 20 to 30 years ago, yet everyone is terrified to the possibility that our medical system is, at best, a complete failure (or at worst, a terrible fraud).

Autism up. Cancers up. Cardiovascular 'disease' up. Obesity up. Psych problems up and on and on and on it goes. Anyone with any foresight can see the direction things are headed.

Hum. Maybe there actually is something to Golfer's claim that the gub'ment is secretly putting stuff in vaccines in order to make citizens dumber.

[golfer]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Vaccines are a moot point, since they do not work.

Disease rates were already falling, with many nearly wiped out before their 'miracle' shot(s) was even invented.

Said diseases, when their vaccine was introduced, typically went up for a few years. That statistics on this are readily available and can be dug up with little effort, for those that don't have their minds already sealed shut.

Here's a fun little known tidbit. If you remove infant mortality out of the average life expectancy calculation, people in this country were actually living longer in 1900 than in 2000.

Truly the weirdest single thing about our health care system is how desperate everyone is to have it. What's weird about that is that EVERYONE knows the system is corrupt and broken. Everyone knows that people are suffering from more diseases and are generally more miserable than they were just 20 to 30 years ago, yet everyone is terrified to the possibility that our medical system is, at best, a complete failure (or at worst, a terrible fraud).

Autism up. Cancers up. Cardiovascular 'disease' up. Obesity up. Psych problems up and on and on and on it goes. Anyone with any foresight can see the direction things are headed.

If all they did was not work, they would be moot, but the link between thimerisol and autism is undeniable (for those of us who don't already know everything).

But wait, according to a link above, the government says vaccines are safe, so I guess skeptics and conspiracy "nuts" like myself and Robert Kennedy Jr are wrong.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Riot

Hum. Maybe there actually is something to Golfer's claim that the gub'ment is secretly putting stuff in vaccines in order to make citizens dumber.

I love love love this sort of counter argument that proponents of vaccines use.

"Well, I can't dispute what he's saying with real fact, so lets mock him and make him look like a nut case".

In your case however, clearly that stuff they are putting in vaccines to make people dumber seems to have worked.

Nice, huh?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by golfer

If all they did was not work, they would be moot, but the link between thimerisol and autism is undeniable (for those of us who don't already know everything).

But wait, according to a link above, the government says vaccines are safe, so I guess skeptics and conspiracy "nuts" like myself and Robert Kennedy Jr are wrong.

Moot was a poor choice of word, sorry.

I myself am fully immersed in the thimerisol topic, as I've had my entire life dealing with its side effects. After nearly being killed (literally) by a medical test to see how much mercury I had in me (over 10x the safe amount), I had to learn how this stuff got in me, and how to get it out. This while being bedridden and suffering from all sorts of horrific things that happened to me as a result of this test.

While researching all of this, I came across a group of people following a protocol that thousands upon thousands of parents used to either CURE or greatly reverse their childrens autism. The core part of the protocol was to remove mercury. I cannot tell you how many first hand instances I've read where a parent takes their kid to the doctor, kid gets immunized and within hours, the kids life falls apart and is never the same.

I've given a couple of lectures locally on my experiences with this and it's really astonishing how badly people are misinformed. While being received surprisingly well, the questions I got were pretty sad. Things like "What about mercury in fish?" and "Would the government really allow this to happen?". It is extremely gratifying when people open their minds enough to let real facts, and not marketing hype, start to let them see things for what they really are.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by golfer

If all they did was not work, they would be moot, but the link between thimerisol and autism is undeniable (for those of us who don't already know everything).

But wait, according to a link above, the government says vaccines are safe, so I guess skeptics and conspiracy "nuts" like myself and Robert Kennedy Jr are wrong.

Yes, it's pretty nuts to say "vaccines don't work". Let alone believe and post here that the government is purposely putting poisons in vaccines to dumb us down.

The link between thimerosol and autism was suspected as theoretical based upon toxicology data but now is considered non-existent (certainly you've read the latest study out this year?)

And you are trashing vaccines that are thimerosol-free.

Carry on with the conspiracy theories

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I've given a couple of lectures locally on my experiences with this and it's really astonishing how badly people are misinformed.

Yeah, people that insist upon evidence-based science really can put a kink into a good theory

[joeydb]

The evidence for a conspiracy is quite clear. We have been doing vaccinations for many years -- the polio vaccine in 1952 is one famous example. Yet a lot of people have died since 1952.

In fact, 1% of the population on average dies every year! That's 3,000,000 people in America alone.