Best Maiden Race of the meet so far...

[RockHardTen1985]

Saturday

8th (4:42)

6 Furlongs | Open | 2 Year Olds Maiden Special Weight | Purse: $50,000

1 Heisman Cohen D 119 FTL
2 Magnet Cove Castellano J J 119 FTL
3 Washington's Rules Desormeaux K J 119
4 Rock Hard Nicky Borel C H 119 FTL
5 Orsonian Gomez G K 119 FTL
6 Brock Albarado R J 119 FTL
7 Call the Ball Lenclud F 114 FTL
8 Fair Whit Maragh R 119 FTL
9 Eltheeb Garcia Alan 119 FTL
10 Derivative Mena M 119 Blk-On L
11 Stay Thirsty Velazquez J R 119 L

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Saturday

8th (4:42)

6 Furlongs | Open | 2 Year Olds Maiden Special Weight | Purse: $50,000


Post # Horse Jockey Weight Claim Price Equip. Med.
1 Heisman Cohen D 119 FTL
2 Magnet Cove Castellano J J 119 FTL
3 Washington's Rules Desormeaux K J 119
4 Rock Hard Nicky Borel C H 119 FTL
5 Orsonian Gomez G K 119 FTL
6 Brock Albarado R J 119 FTL
7 Call the Ball Lenclud F 114 FTL
8 Fair Whit Maragh R 119 FTL
9 Eltheeb Garcia Alan 119 FTL
10 Derivative Mena M 119 Blk-On L
11 Stay Thirsty Velazquez J R 119 L

The $2.3 million horse from Fasig Tipton Calder is in there. His name is Brock.

[freddymo]

looks like a jogburger for the 11.. Whats so good about it? Other then the Ralph Nicks Officer colt who figures to be a likely FTS that could win here?

The Pletcher has zero shot
The Ice Aptitude zero shot
Maybe the Roman Ruler for McPeek can run a little
Zito and a Rock hard Ten going 6 zero shot
Ass/Jess could be OK but will be way overbet
Call The Ball has two great works especially for a Vindy but who would be a Vindy going 6 FTS?
The Birdstone could be ok but never first out and the The Berny doesnt want to sprint

7/5 on the 11 will be stealing

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

The $2.3 million horse from Fasig Tipton Calder is in there. His name is Brock.

Half to a turf miler whoopie

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by freddymo

looks like a jogburger for the 11.. Whats so good about it? Other then the Ralph Nicks Officer colt who figures to be a likely FTS that could win here?

The Pletcher has zero shot
The Ice Aptitude zero shot
Maybe the Roman Ruler for McPeek can run a little
Zito and a Rock hard Ten going 6 zero shot
Ass/Jess could be OK but will be way overbet
Call The Ball has two great works especially for a Vindy but who would be a Vindy going 6 FTS?
The Birdstone could be ok but never first out and the The Berny doesnt want to sprint

7/5 on the 11 will be stealing

Heisman is a full brother to Any Given Saturday. Why would he have no chance?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Heisman is a full brother to Any Given Saturday. Why would he have no chance?

Cohen and the rail? You think JR would be listed if Pletcher told him he was the goods.. Plus the rail is almost a auto toss with Mdn 2 year olds IMO

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Half to a turf miler whoopie

The dam made all her money on the dirt and has produced a couple of horses that won, sprinting on the dirt. I wouldn't downgrade this horse's chances based on the fact that one of his halfs was a grass miler.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Cohen and the rail? You think JR would be listed if Pletcher told him he was the goods.. Plus the rail is almost a auto toss with Mdn 2 year olds IMO

While I agree with you in principle, the 5th race last Thursday was almost the exact same scenario and Cohen won on the "B" horse wire to wire.

Of course, the Pletcher trainee JV rode that day looked nowhere near as good as Stay Thirsty. I think he's going to win rather easily.

NT

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Cohen and the rail? You think JR would be listed if Pletcher told him he was the goods.. Plus the rail is almost a auto toss with Mdn 2 year olds IMO

No, absolutely not. JV already rode the other horse and he ran 2nd. I would bet money that he was not offered the mount on the first-timer in this race. That would be the kind of thing that would not go over well for a trainer when he is trying to keep two separate owners happy. It would be one thing if both horses had run and JV had ridden both of them. Then he would have to choose between the two. But in a case where he's already ridden the one horse and the horse ran well, he's not going to be offered the mount on the other horse.

By the way, last week there was a MSW at Saratoga and Pletcher had two first-timers. JV was on one and Cohen was on the other. Simon Bray was handicapping the race on TVG and commented that he was only using the JV horse because Pletcher would definitely put JV on the better of the two horses. I was thinking that I would not necessarily agree considering that the Pletcher/Cohen combo has a much higher win percenatge than the Pletcher/JV combo. The Pletcher/Cohen combo has won at a 37% clip from 113 starts. The Pletcher/JV combo has won at a 24% clip from 523 starts.

Anyway, Simon Bray was totally wrong. The horse with Cohen won the race easily. And I think that horse broke from the rail too.

[Betsy]

I LOVE Stay Thirsty, but he's got an awful post.....He ran very well in his debut and he should improve.. Also, he's trained by Pletcher...

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Betsy

I LOVE Stay Thirsty, but he's got an awful post.....He ran very well in his debut and he should improve..

What's so awful about that post?

NT

[randallscott35]

You really can't judge the best maiden race until they are all run. We'll see.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Cohen and the rail? You think JR would be listed if Pletcher told him he was the goods.. Plus the rail is almost a auto toss with Mdn 2 year olds IMO

Cohen won with a 2yo filly for TAP last week. JV had the mount on the other Pletcher. Remember a couple of years ago when GoGo won more for Todd than JV?

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

What's so awful about that post?

NT

I just assumed the far outside post is the worst; I wouldn't mind being wrong. It's better than being on the inside.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Betsy

I just assumed the far outside post is the worst; I wouldn't mind being wrong. It's better than being on the inside.

No in sprints really if the run into the turn is long enough and certainly not with babies who don't like being close to the rail.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

No, absolutely not. JV already rode the other horse and he ran 2nd. I would bet money that he was not offered the mount on the first-timer in this race. That would be the kind of thing that would not go over well for a trainer when he is trying to keep two separate owners happy. It would be one thing if both horses had run and JV had ridden both of them. Then he would have to choose between the two. But in a case where he's already ridden the one horse and the horse ran well, he's not going to be offered the mount on the other horse.

By the way, last week there was a MSW at Saratoga and Pletcher had two first-timers. JV was on one and Cohen was on the other. Simon Bray was handicapping the race on TVG and commented that he was only using the JV horse because Pletcher would definitely put JV on the better of the two horses. I was thinking that I would not necessarily agree considering that the Pletcher/Cohen combo has a much higher win percenatge than the Pletcher/JV combo. The Pletcher/Cohen combo has won at a 37% clip from 113 starts. The Pletcher/JV combo has won at a 24% clip from 523 starts.


Anyway, Simon Bray was totally wrong. The horse with Cohen won the race easily. And I think that horse broke from the rail too.

Accidents happen but the rail and Cohen are hardily a good sign..More Impotantly it is going to take a at least a 85 BSF to win this race and hoping that a colt riden by the B rider breaking from the rail is going to overcome a second time starter drawn well is really hard to swallow. The Nicks is second most likely he always has them ready to fire and Officer is a solid win early sprint stallion.. The Jess/ASS can be good but why would you try and beat the 11? He really looks like a easy winner

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

The $2.3 million horse from Fasig Tipton Calder is in there. His name is Brock.

What moron would pay 2.3 million for a horse?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Accidents happen but the rail and Cohen are hardily a good sign..More Impotantly it is going to take a at least a 85 BSF to win this race and hoping that a colt riden by the B rider breaking from the rail is going to overcome a second time starter drawn well is really hard to swallow. The Nicks is second most likely he always has them ready to fire and Officer is a solid win early sprint stallion.. The Jess/ASS can be good but why would you try and beat the 11? He really looks like a easy winner

I watched both of those horses (the Asmussen and the 11) work at the sale and I liked the Asmussen better. If I can get a decent price on the Asmussen, I would certainly consider betting the horse.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by jms62

What moron would pay 2.3 million for a horse?

I agree with you. Even at a 2 year old sale where you can watch them work and get a pretty good feel for a horse, I still think it's crazy to pay much more than $250k or so. I guess if the horse has really good breeding, I could see a guy go up to $500k or so. But to pay $2.3 million is a little crazy.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I agree with you. Even at a 2 year old sale where you can watch them work and get a pretty good feel for a horse, I still think it's crazy to pay much more than $250k or so. I guess if the horse has really good breeding, I could see a guy go up to $500k or so. But to pay $2.3 million is a little crazy.

The guy you're talking about can wipe his a.ss with $100s. $2.3 million is chump change.

NT