Sidney's Candy?

[smuthg]

Breeders' cup mile??? That was pretty impressive...

[Pedigree Ann]

Sid versus Goldikova. Could be the best race of the day.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Sid versus Goldikova. Could be the best race of the day.

Yes a true Classic.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Trainer struggles when Supertesting is in play.

[smuthg]

If the turf is firm, he could present some real issues for Goldikova...

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by smuthg

If the turf is firm, he could present some real issues for Goldikova...

Really?

[the_fat_man]

One can only wonder if JOSEPHINE would've lost with him today.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by smuthg

If the turf is firm, he could present some real issues for Goldikova...

Not to burst your bubble, but Sidneys Candy is likely not even the best Candy Ride turfer in that barn. He freaked today, congrats. He beat nothing and freaked, Im happy for him.
As far as beating Goldikova, really? If Courageous Cat comes back ok, and thats a huge IF, he is easily better then Sidneys Candy.
Lets also not forget Get Stormy at 8f. I would take him any day of the week over Sidneys Candy...

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by smuthg

If the turf is firm, he could present some real issues for Goldikova...

Yeah, the turf is often like it is at Dmr right now in November at CD. God forbid he get looked in the eye by a real speed horse on turf like Get Stormy or someone even better.

It was a very good performance today but to come on here and say he could present a challenge to Goldikova is lunacy.

NT

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Yeah, the turf is often like it is at Dmr right now in November at CD. God forbid he get looked in the eye by a real speed horse on turf like Get Stormy or someone even better.

It was a very good performance today but to come on here and say he could present a challenge to Goldikova is lunacy.

NT

Surely you jest. The way the 'real speed horse on turf', Get Stormy, got his lunch eaten on a 'real' turf course up at WO? Did Stormy get tired on that long stretch? ha ha ha

GS doesn't sniff this horse's ass. Unless Josephine is up, of course.

It's nice to watch a race where the jocks are gapped as a result of fast fractions; rather than taking back on their own, the way they do at SAR.

[hockey2315]

I don't know about him being a threat to Goldikova, but you're crazy if you weren't extremely impressed by today's race. I'm a big fan of Get Stormy, but he's nowhere close to as talented as Sidney's Candy, who is much better than Twirling Candy.

[Pedigree Ann]

Macias, who is a quite good turf sprinter, went with Sid for 6f (in sub 1:09 - I forget the exact time and the chart isn't up yet) and dropped out to finish essentially eased. Meanwhile Sid kept on going to set a new track record for 1 1/16 of 1:39 and some. And the track wasn't especially fast today - good allowance fillies ran a mile in 1:35.27, which is about right for the level.

True, this was just a bunch of promising 3yos - Kid Edward, in particular, should be a good one in longer races - but it was the way he won that has some of us dazed and amazed.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Surely you jest. The way the 'real speed horse on turf', Get Stormy, got his lunch eaten on a 'real' turf course up at WO? Did Stormy get tired on that long stretch? ha ha ha

GS doesn't sniff this horse's ass. Unless Josephine is up, of course.

It's nice to watch a race where the jocks are gapped as a result of fast fractions; rather than taking back on their own, the way they do at SAR.

It's not anything against Woodbine but I really don't take much of what goes on there seriously. The horses that seem to be at their best at Woodbine seem to never really have the same punch in the States. Is Rahy's Attorney a GI horse in America? No. Is Grand Adventure a Grade I/II horse in America? No. Is Society's Chairman? No. What about Sterwins, Marchfield, or Marsh Side? No to those as well. Get Stormy's race in Canada was bad, the turf was boggy and I'm sure that hurt.

I didn't in any way say he was going to beat Sidney's Candy but can he put pressure on him? Sure. The original posts in this thread were about Sidney's Candy being a threat to Goldikova, that's completely different than anything about Get Stormy. Does anyone in their right mind think that Sidney's Candy setting a fast pace on a softer Autumn turf course at Churchill will not set up Goldikova incredibly well? I know I don't.

NT

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I don't know about him being a threat to Goldikova, but you're crazy if you weren't extremely impressed by today's race. I'm a big fan of Get Stormy, but he's nowhere close to as talented as Sidney's Candy, who is much better than Twirling Candy.

Before his last race none of us really knew who Twirling Candy was, Sidney's Candy was really dull in his comeback, and I defended him and even got bashed on here for it. Was todays performance huge, YES. Do I love him moving forward NO.
Does the 3yr old turf division suck and would I take him over Paddy O'POS, YES.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Macias, who is a quite good turf sprinter, went with Sid for 6f (in sub 1:09 - I forget the exact time and the chart isn't up yet) and dropped out to finish essentially eased. Meanwhile Sid kept on going to set a new track record for 1 1/16 of 1:39 and some. And the track wasn't especially fast today - good allowance fillies ran a mile in 1:35.27, which is about right for the level.

True, this was just a bunch of promising 3yos - Kid Edward, in particular, should be a good one in longer races - but it was the way he won that has some of us dazed and amazed.

You really that amazed? The trainer lost at odds on, and packed the wagon full of powder. Doug O'neil's having a big meet. That's like a huge sign that testing is lax down there right now.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Didn't they say that O'neil tried to bring a cripple back in a week? It broke down this week (after pulling up bad last week.) It's like he knows anything goes down there right now. Wants to run them while they have lax testing.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

It's not anything against Woodbine but I really don't take much of what goes on there seriously. The horses that seem to be at their best at Woodbine seem to never really have the same punch in the States. Is Rahy's Attorney a GI horse in America? No. Is Grand Adventure a Grade I/II horse in America? No. Is Society's Chairman? No. What about Sterwins, Marchfield, or Marsh Side? No to those as well. Get Stormy's race in Canada was bad, the turf was boggy and I'm sure that hurt.

I didn't in any way say he was going to beat Sidney's Candy but can he put pressure on him? Sure. The original posts in this thread were about Sidney's Candy being a threat to Goldikova, that's completely different than anything about Get Stormy. Does anyone in their right mind think that Sidney's Candy setting a fast pace on a softer Autumn turf course at Churchill will not set up Goldikova incredibly well? I know I don't.

NT

Tuf is a funny business. All I know is that most of the American horses that go up to WO get their butts kicked. Unless it's Ventura, or some such sort. My only point is that GT wires on less than 'challenging' courses. If he's up to this, then maybe, if he was a horse, he'd wire under adversity. But he's not good enough.

As for Goldikova, it'd be nice if, maybe, she didn't get the best trip in the race for the 3rd straight year in the BC. I know she can run, as she seems to not get that 'special' trip over at Europe but it'd be nice to see her actually have to do some work.

The idea behind being a very good trainer is getting your horses to run under less than optimum conditions. I realize that Sadler is very good at stretching horses out and getting them to handle a distance with very little experience. I also realize that this is contrary to how a horse should be trained -- or, maybe, would've been handled by some of the better trainers of the past, who somehow, weren't able to stretch them out as easily as they all seem to out in California. My point is I don't know what Sadler is doing, or McLaughlin, even, when he stretches his sprinters out. But, I do know that THAT **** won't work when some real running needs to be done. Like, today, for example, when Al Khalil collapsed like a PLUG in the stretch. So, maybe Sadler can pull a rabbit out of his hat and get SC to run as well at CD as he did today at DMR. Of course, he certainly failed 1st time around with this.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

The horse got beat by that Skip'n pss horse. That horse couldn't even win the West Virginia Derby. So, don't you think it's odd that Joel just lets a horse (that got a lil late last time) just go as fast as it wants to go? Don't you think he got that confidence from somewhere? Like maybe the trainer told him just get clear, he ain't stopping today. I mean, one of the reasons the horse was able to break the record is they let him run as fast (early) as he wanted to run. For a horse who slowed up late last time, they were pretty damn confident that he wasn't gunna stop today. Just saying. They expect everyone to hit the turf surface change button, and not ask questions. also, a jock change to the top jock. They like to have these 2 factors involved, because it helps give people a reason for a big change in performance.

[Port Conway Lane]

The performance was one of the best by any horse this year. Macias looked like Sham.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Tell ya, that Jenny has a tough time with that jaw, or whatever is wrong. All the money she has, and that's the best situation they can come up with for her? Damn.